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Post by pdsmith777 on Dec 15, 2018 23:48:50 GMT
I would imagine that if you were a victim of sexual harassment, sexual assault, or any type of sexual crime, or on the receiving end of any type of sexual advance, you might be more sensitive to that type of "behavior" than others.
Unfortunately, this type of "behavior" goes far back in time not only to when it was acceptable and even expected, but to times where genders were, or where genders still are, considered unequal in rights and privileges. I recall in the 70's when I was in 7th grade, a young girl in my English class named Peggy, I believe, sat in front of a bully. I sat next to them. One day he found a loose screw on the floor, and for the next several days, he would whisper to Peggy asking her if she wanted the screw. The innuendo was very clear, and at time he would even straight out ask if she wanted to screw.
Peggy sat there, every day, looking down at her work and concentrating on that. Even when the teacher was informed, nothing was done. At the time I was suffering through a bruise on the left side of my face given to me by my own bully at lunch when he sent me flying across two lunch tables with one punch. I always admired Peggy on how she handled that. And I always hated the guy who did it to her.
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Post by nas on Dec 17, 2018 0:24:39 GMT
nas wrote:
luckysmom wrote:
I don’t know why I’m continuing to post on this thread - - it’s cathartic, I guess - and the subject just pushes my buttons...
it is my verrrry personal opinion that there are many woman who are overly-sensitive regarding remarks made of a sexual nature; it’s almost as if they are looking for an excuse to be offended, and to bring charges against an “offending“ male... the MeToo movement has given fuel to the fire to the point that I sometimes find myself rolling my eyes and thinking, “Seriously lady, lighten up!”
on the other hand, it is also my verrrry personal opinion that there are many men who are under-intelligent, and just don’t realize how rude, crude, and nasty they are!
(the sexual offenders are a whole ‘nother subject, which I will not go into in this post - but I will say there is a special place in hell for them...)
did Ms. Dushku really have just cause to file a sexual harassment suit - or was she using it as an excuse because she was upset that she didn’t get the long term “gig“ she was hoping for? we’ll never know, but apparently someone felt she was justified, and Michael Weatherly is suffering the consequences for not putting his brain in gear before opening his mouth...
I think I’ll stop writing about this now, but I will still be interested in knowing what repercussions MW will experience from this incident - if any...
nas
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Dec 17, 2018 11:41:19 GMT
Post by jessielee on Dec 17, 2018 11:41:19 GMT
did Ms. Dushku really have just cause to file a sexual harassment suit - or was she using it as an excuse because she was upset that she didn’t get the long term “gig“ she was hoping for? we’ll never know, but apparently someone felt she was justified, and Michael Weatherly is suffering the consequences for not putting his brain in gear before opening his mouth... It was caught on tape. The CBS lawyers handed over a tape with outtakes in their defense of MW. The tape showed ED cursing, but it also showed the inital comments by MW which the lawyers didn't even recognize as "harassment", so their idea backfired as obviously the mediator thought it was enough and Moonves who had his hands deep in this settlement agreement, decided that too. They then went on to hide the confidential payment in Bull's production budget (because now you have to see the bigger picture as at that time CBS and Viacom were in talks about a merger and this would look not so good, so it was covered up...) Several comments suggested that she had already gotten the 4 seasons deal, but as her complaints went up thru the CBS food chain, it was decided to change the deal to a recurring guest role, which she declined; thereafter the mediation started. --- One would think that MW heard of the MeToo movement and TimesUp campaign, and he would be more careful in this environment and that not all people share his sense of humor. Especially former child abuse victims. Looks like DiNozzo actually was MW unfiltered, given that he was allowed to ad-lib most of his scenes as he was extremely bad with remindering his texts. So DiNozzo being a douche is courtesy of MW being a douche.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Dec 17, 2018 20:31:12 GMT
did Ms. Dushku really have just cause to file a sexual harassment suit - or was she using it as an excuse because she was upset that she didn’t get the long term “gig“ she was hoping for? we’ll never know, but apparently someone felt she was justified, and Michael Weatherly is suffering the consequences for not putting his brain in gear before opening his mouth... It was caught on tape. The CBS lawyers handed over a tape with outtakes in their defense of MW. The tape showed ED cursing, but it also showed the inital comments by MW which the lawyers didn't even recognize as "harassment", so their idea backfired as obviously the mediator thought it was enough and Moonves who had his hands deep in this settlement agreement, decided that too. They then went on to hide the confidential payment in Bull's production budget (because now you have to see the bigger picture as at that time CBS and Viacom were in talks about a merger and this would look not so good, so it was covered up...) Several comments suggested that she had already gotten the 4 seasons deal, but as her complaints went up thru the CBS food chain, it was decided to change the deal to a recurring guest role, which she declined; thereafter the mediation started. One would think that MW heard of the MeToo movement and TimesUp campaign, and he would be more careful in this environment and that not all people share his sense of humor. Especially former child abuse victims. Looks like DiNozzo actually was MW unfiltered, given that he was allowed to ad-lib most of his scenes as he was extremely bad with remindering his texts. So DiNozzo being a douche is courtesy of MW being a douche. Where did you see this footage? I haven't watched the show in a while, but did see the initial three episodes ED was in and I'm not sure how they would have fit her in as a regular. Her character and Benny would have been redundant.
Pauley and Sasha have spoken up in support of MW and I'm not sure about Pauley, but Sasha has been attacked online for it.
In the comments I saw a good number of people saying ED has a reputation for being difficult on the set, but none citing sources. Joss Whedon must not have minded working with her since she's been on several of his shows (Buffy, Angel, Dollhouse). At least she didn't wait 30 years before accusing.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:07:31 GMT
Post by ballerina on Dec 17, 2018 22:07:31 GMT
It was caught on tape. The CBS lawyers handed over a tape with outtakes in their defense of MW. The tape showed ED cursing, but it also showed the inital comments by MW which the lawyers didn't even recognize as "harassment", so their idea backfired as obviously the mediator thought it was enough and Moonves who had his hands deep in this settlement agreement, decided that too. They then went on to hide the confidential payment in Bull's production budget (because now you have to see the bigger picture as at that time CBS and Viacom were in talks about a merger and this would look not so good, so it was covered up...) Several comments suggested that she had already gotten the 4 seasons deal, but as her complaints went up thru the CBS food chain, it was decided to change the deal to a recurring guest role, which she declined; thereafter the mediation started. One would think that MW heard of the MeToo movement and TimesUp campaign, and he would be more careful in this environment and that not all people share his sense of humor. Especially former child abuse victims. Looks like DiNozzo actually was MW unfiltered, given that he was allowed to ad-lib most of his scenes as he was extremely bad with remindering his texts. So DiNozzo being a douche is courtesy of MW being a douche. Where did you see this footage? I haven't watched the show in a while, but did see the initial three episodes ED was in and I'm not sure how they would have fit her in as a regular. Her character and Benny would have been redundant.
Pauley and Sasha have spoken up in support of MW and I'm not sure about Pauley, but Sasha has been attacked online for it.
In the comments I saw a good number of people saying ED has a reputation for being difficult on the set, but none citing sources. Joss Whedon must not have minded working with her since she's been on several of his shows (Buffy, Angel, Dollhouse). At least she didn't wait 30 years before accusing.
Seldon, I was reading the comments on Pauley’s twitter post after I saw it, she has a lot of hate being thrown at her as well.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:32:05 GMT
Post by pdsmith777 on Dec 17, 2018 22:32:05 GMT
did Ms. Dushku really have just cause to file a sexual harassment suit - or was she using it as an excuse because she was upset that she didn’t get the long term “gig“ she was hoping for? we’ll never know, but apparently someone felt she was justified, and Michael Weatherly is suffering the consequences for not putting his brain in gear before opening his mouth... It was caught on tape. The CBS lawyers handed over a tape with outtakes in their defense of MW. The tape showed ED cursing, but it also showed the inital comments by MW which the lawyers didn't even recognize as "harassment", so their idea backfired as obviously the mediator thought it was enough and Moonves who had his hands deep in this settlement agreement, decided that too. They then went on to hide the confidential payment in Bull's production budget (because now you have to see the bigger picture as at that time CBS and Viacom were in talks about a merger and this would look not so good, so it was covered up...) The above statement in RED is very troubling to me. If the lawyers couldn't recognize what sexual harassment was, then one has to wonder what kind of environment exists in that law office. We are getting a pretty good picture of what it was like inside CBS, and evidently NBC and FOX. One question that remains is, what is it like at ABC and the CW? And what type of effect will this have on the industry at large, if any?
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Dec 19, 2018 23:17:18 GMT
Post by jessielee on Dec 19, 2018 23:17:18 GMT
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Dec 20, 2018 1:26:56 GMT
Post by luckysmom on Dec 20, 2018 1:26:56 GMT
Wow. I really don't know what to make of the entire mess. I see Dennis Smith, in addition to Pauley and Sasha came out in MWs defense.
CBS paid ED $9 million. There must have been some reason. But if it was as blatant as she is saying, and on tape, how could the CBS lawyers every disclose the tapes without realizing it was a problem.
Her story and MWs are not even close.....
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Dec 20, 2018 1:34:34 GMT
Post by ballerina on Dec 20, 2018 1:34:34 GMT
Wow. I really don't know what to make of the entire mess. I see Dennis Smith, in addition to Pauley and Sasha came out in MWs defense. CBS paid ED $9 million. There must have been some reason. But if it was as blatant as she is saying, and on tape, how could the CBS lawyers every disclose the tapes without realizing it was a problem. Her story and MWs are not even close..... luckysmom, I also noticed that her story and MWs are different
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Dec 20, 2018 4:56:50 GMT
Post by Hari Seldon on Dec 20, 2018 4:56:50 GMT
Wow. I really don't know what to make of the entire mess. I see Dennis Smith, in addition to Pauley and Sasha came out in MWs defense. CBS paid ED $9 million. There must have been some reason. But if it was as blatant as she is saying, and on tape, how could the CBS lawyers every disclose the tapes without realizing it was a problem. Her story and MWs are not even close..... I can't verify, but I've heard that was how much the contract she'd signed for the next few seasons of the show was worth - that it was just buying out the contract and not an actual payoff. If it had been a payoff they would have been idiots not to include a non-disclosure agreement.
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Dec 20, 2018 6:54:34 GMT
Post by nas on Dec 20, 2018 6:54:34 GMT
whoa!! 😳 nothing like hearing the other side of the story, eh?
there are many comments floating around in my head right now, but I will refrain from writing any of them down... (I’ll give you a hint: they are not complimentary)
I’m bettin’ this story is not over, folks! it’s gonna be interesting to see how it all turns out in the end...
nas
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Dec 20, 2018 17:09:37 GMT
Post by jessielee on Dec 20, 2018 17:09:37 GMT
whoa!! 😳 nothing like hearing the other side of the story, eh?
there are many comments floating around in my head right now, but I will refrain from writing any of them down... (I’ll give you a hint: they are not complimentary)
I’m bettin’ this story is not over, folks! it’s gonna be interesting to see how it all turns out in the end...
nas
I most probably will second your not complimentary comments after reading her side of the story.
And I really hope, that there will be some form of consequences for MW, especially since Les Moonves no longer can hold his hand over MW. Also brings up the question, if the gig at directing was the only reason for Annabelle Attanasio to leave the series. She never said anything else, but I doubt that MW's behaviour against ED was an isolated incident.
I'm so glad I never was into Bull, as I found it extremely boring and MW a total miscast for this role.
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Dec 20, 2018 17:23:08 GMT
Post by jessielee on Dec 20, 2018 17:23:08 GMT
I can't verify, but I've heard that was how much the contract she'd signed for the next few seasons of the show was worth - that it was just buying out the contract and not an actual payoff. If it had been a payoff they would have been idiots not to include a non-disclosure agreement. That's what most articles stated, but ED stated in her op-ed it was only a portion of what she would have earned if she had fullfilled her contract instead of being fired. There probably was some kind of agreement to not speak about it, but not a NDA. ED declined to comment on the original NYT article, but Caron and Weatherly did. Therefore she now chose to speak as well. The lawyers handling that settlement were obviously not the brightest as they handed over the evidence that proved her right.
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Dec 20, 2018 18:26:38 GMT
Post by nas on Dec 20, 2018 18:26:38 GMT
so, after this recent “disclosure” by Ms. Dushku, anybody wanna make a $$$ bet on the future of Bull - or Michael Weatherly?
nas
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Dec 20, 2018 19:24:51 GMT
Post by jessielee on Dec 20, 2018 19:24:51 GMT
so, after this recent “disclosure” by Ms. Dushku, anybody wanna make a $$$ bet on the future of Bull - or Michael Weatherly?
nas
TvLine changed Bull from "a safe bet" to "a long shot" following ED's statement. Depends on how the ratings are in the next year and how big is its international reach. It's definitely not so safe anymore, following recents news.
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