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Post by nas on Nov 22, 2017 2:39:30 GMT
I haven't dissed an episode in a very long time, but I just have to say this:
question: what are the odds that the "bad guy arms dealer" would be sitting in the very same hospital where McGee is?
not to mention he's sitting in a chair in the Emergency waiting room with a bleeding gunshot wound in his thigh!
answer: highly unlikely!
pretty dumb episode...
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Post by Hari Seldon on Nov 22, 2017 2:49:27 GMT
actually, Harrison McGee has a nice ring to it... 😊 (it's worked rather well for Mr. Ford... 😉)
btw, given Delilah's condition (paralysis) I would have thought the babies would be delivered by C-section... 🤔 perhaps in real life that would be the case, but this is NCIS, so they went for the drama and not the reality...
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I posed the question about the effect of the paralysis on the birth a week or so ago, though I don't remember which thread.
Did you notice that after McGee's list of boy names the MI5 victim was named Ford? The hostage being an accomplice was way too obvious, starting with how she ran straight into the bad guy's arms when nobody else came close, then did way too good of a job patting down Gibbs and Bishop, and stayed in the room when McGee and Morgan left. The pat-down was an obvious possibility, so why didn't they think to at least leave Gibbs' ankle gun behind so Bishop could re-arm when she went into the back room to look for a doctor?
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Post by llyan on Nov 22, 2017 3:30:29 GMT
Actually, McGee could have plugged the bad guy when he was distracted by the wounded guard. But then it would be an awful short show. The bad guy was a MacGuffin for drama. This episode wasn't about the case. It was Tim and Delilah's twins being born. And since they weren't going to create drama by doing something to Delilah or the babies, they needed to create drama elsewhere and that involved Tim getting into the middle of a hostage situation. As bad guys go, he was particularly pathetic though.
But having said that, it had some great moments:
- I liked Tim having a duplicate comfort bag in his car for Delilah. It's just like Tim to be over-prepared and it was very sweet of him.
- I loved Delilah giving Tim a task. Grape soda, ice cold. It reminded me of Shrek. (Blue flowers, red thorns... this would be so much easier if I wasn't colorblind!) She definitely knows her husband!
- Reeves and Torres together crack me up. Torres is definitely not impressed by Reeves but they still work well (enough) together. The scene where they're trying to figure out how to disarm the bomb based on movies had me giggling.
- First Winnie Cooper, now Mr. Arnold. The cast of the Wonder Years needs to stay away from McGee.
- I wasn't surprised that Tim got the guard out, but I was a little surprised that he left Gibbs, Bishop and Sloan behind and didn't return. I realize that his kids were being born but he left his team behind. I had expected him to help get them out of trouble then go see to Delilah. It was kinda refreshing that he went to be with her instead though.
- I'm surprised that Delilah wasn't a C section because of her paralysis. From my Google medical degree, it is possible that she could have some feeling at the hips if the shrapnel impacted her spinal cord low enough. So maybe it is possible that she could have a natural birth. But if it had been a C section there wouldn't have been the parallel scenes between Delilah's yells and out bad guy's yells as Sloane (poorly) dug out the bullet.
- By the time Sloane dug out that bullet, you would have thought he would have passed out either from pain or blood loss.
- I like that they named the boy after Tim's father. It seems like by the time John McGee passed away, he and Tim had mended their fences. Although, I was personally hoping that they would have done something similar to Jimmy naming his daughter after Ducky's mother and named his son after Gibbs' dad Jackson. Naming the girl Morgan after the guard was nice. Regardless, I'm very glad that there were no Nick, Tony, Leroy, Ellie, Abby or Ziva juniors.
- Speaking of babies, those were not newborns! And they definitely not 3 week early twins either! I just held a 6 week old baby who was smaller than both of those kids. The girl was so still in Sean's arms that I thought it might be a doll but I think she was just passed out because the boy was definitely a real baby.
Anyway, I enjoyed the episode flaws and all.
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Post by luckysmom on Nov 22, 2017 3:39:45 GMT
I pretty much agree, llyan. The parts of the episode surrounding the case were loaded with flaws but I still enjoyed it.
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Post by nas on Nov 22, 2017 4:07:10 GMT
OMGosh, llyan! please tell me you didn't mean it...
why on earth would McGee choose to be with (or return to) his team, when his wife is giving birth to his children! I realize this show is about "Team Gibbs", but loyalty to his co-workers only goes so far... "refreshing" isn't the word I'd use in this case... "absolutely imperative" is what I would say... the wife - and kids - come first in this case!
as I wrote in my previous post, in reality a woman in her medical condition would likely deliver by C-section... I think she would be considered a "high risk pregnancy", and wouldn't be subjected to a natural childbirth...but, as I also wrote, this is NCIS and not real life, so they went for the "drama" and not the "reality...edit to add:
this just about says it all:www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3975516/I realize this isn't a medical show, but the writer treated this situation wayyyy to simply! instead of her doing all those breathing/labor scenes, they could have had her in an OR with a delivery team... but they didn't call and ask for my advice, so........
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Post by llyan on Nov 22, 2017 13:37:11 GMT
OMGosh, llyan! please tell me you didn't mean it...
why on earth would McGee choose to be with (or return to) his team, when his wife is giving birth to his children! I realize this show is about "Team Gibbs", but loyalty to his co-workers only goes so far... "refreshing" isn't the word I'd use in this case... "absolutely imperative" is what I would say... the wife - and kids - come first in this case!
In the real world, Tim did absolutely as I expected he should have done. In the NCIS world (which may or may not resemble the real world depending on the story needs), I was surprised. I mean, we are talking about a man who jumped out of a helicopter into almost certain doom six months ago despite having a pregnant wife at home. I expected him to do something equally dumb because Gibbs is family too. But he didn't, hence why it was refreshing. Maybe that's not the right word. But regardless, I'm glad he went to Delilah instead of back into the fray.
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Post by pdsmith777 on Nov 22, 2017 14:01:42 GMT
OMGosh, llyan! please tell me you didn't mean it...
why on earth would McGee choose to be with (or return to) his team, when his wife is giving birth to his children! I realize this show is about "Team Gibbs", but loyalty to his co-workers only goes so far... "refreshing" isn't the word I'd use in this case... "absolutely imperative" is what I would say... the wife - and kids - come first in this case!
In the real world, Tim did absolutely as I expected he should have done. In the NCIS world (which may or may not resemble the real world depending on the story needs), I was surprised. I mean, we are talking about a man who jumped out of a helicopter into almost certain doom six months ago despite having a pregnant wife at home. I expected him to do something equally dumb because Gibbs is family too. But he didn't, hence why it was refreshing. Maybe that's not the right word. But regardless, I'm glad he went to Delilah instead of back into the fray. One of the FEW "somewhat" redeeming moments of the show. Just not much else to hang a hat on with this one. McGee has shown a great deal of immaturity since his arrival on the show. Even after DiNozzo's departure, he still sometimes (frequently) displays that somewhat childish nieveta that can both be charming and annoying. As referenced above, the jumping out of the helicopter was at once brave, loyal, and stupid. It could be that the lesson from this experience played in the mind of McGee (the writers who are ultimately responsible for the characters actions) and he made a decision to put "Family First".
Either way, I think the use of the word "refreshing" is appropriate because it was very different for both the character and the show.
Now that I've spent way too much time on such an awful episode, I will bid all a wonderful Thanksgiving. Need to get cleaned up, packed, loaded and on the road.
Also, my apologies for any misspellings. Had some serious problems with the laptop last week and it was in the shop for almost four full days. Required some serious work, and somehow, I've now lost my ability to spellcheck on this site, among other things I'm still fuming about and not happy with a certain electronics retailer over. I'm about ready to break out MY favorite tech tool and do some work on this thing.
"FAVORITE TECH TOOL" = BASEBALL BAT
EDIT - YES the work on my computer isn't gelling well with this site. I was attempting to quote Llyan above. But something messed up. I think my bat is in my bedroom closet.
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Post by llyan on Nov 22, 2017 17:12:09 GMT
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Post by luckysmom on Nov 22, 2017 19:54:58 GMT
Those babies are at least 2 months old... but I would not bring a newborn on set either...
And yes it does stretch the imagination that Delilah would not have had a c section, that she would have had the muscle strength to push a baby out. And McGee being in the middle of a hostage drama while his wife is in labor... but the majority of shows where a baby is born take some liberties for dramatic effect.
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Post by llyan on Nov 22, 2017 20:25:00 GMT
as I wrote in my previous post, in reality a woman in her medical condition would likely deliver by C-section... I think she would be considered a "high risk pregnancy", and wouldn't be subjected to a natural childbirth...but, as I also wrote, this is NCIS and not real life, so they went for the "drama" and not the "reality... From the writer of the episode:
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Post by sukismom on Nov 22, 2017 20:40:40 GMT
I have to say I was disappointed with the case storyline in this one. That being said, I enjoyed Jack's reaction. She was certainly getting some pleasure out of inflicting some pain and payback on that SOB. I also laughed at Gibbs swinging at the female baddie. I don't remember him doing that before. The two boys and the bomb scene was priceless.
I'm surprised that Delilah didn't have a C section. Pregnancy and cord injuries are problematic in a best case scenario and ADR is nothing to take lightly. I guess it wouldn't be dramatic enough. I loved the bit with McGee talking about assembling the second crib and having leftover pieces. Having assembled any number of DIY projects I totally understand. LOL!!!
I loved the name choices for the babies. It took a while, but Tim obviously reconciled with his Dad. Using the guard's name was also a no brainer.
When do we get to meet the grandparents? I'd love to finally see Tim's mom.
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Post by pdsmith777 on Nov 23, 2017 3:17:42 GMT
Thank you Llyan for the photos. Looking at pictures of babies doesn't necessarily relax me. Looking at Photos of Margo, definitely puts me in a better mood.
Took a while but finally got connected to my parents network. Again, thank you nameless company who worked on the laptop. Said company sent me a survey about my service. Tomorrow when I have time, they will be getting an ear/eye full.
Time to post this and look at more photos of Margo, with our without babies, doesn't matter to me.
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Post by llyan on Nov 23, 2017 15:04:47 GMT
So I noticed that something was different between the sneak peek and the actual episode on a rewatch. This was Bishop's list as it was in the preview:This is her list as it aired on Tuesday:
For some reason, they changed the insert from a generic list to a specific list with names. Interestingly, Abby was going to Ducky's dinner without Bert. Sloane has a guest (Perhaps our dead MI5 guy?) and Vance's kids aren't listed.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Nov 23, 2017 22:16:59 GMT
So I noticed that something was different between the sneak peek and the actual episode on a rewatch. This was Bishop's list as it was in the preview:This is her list as it aired on Tuesday:
For some reason, they changed the insert from a generic list to a specific list with names. Interestingly, Abby was going to Ducky's dinner without Bert. Sloane has a guest (Perhaps our dead MI5 guy?) and Vance's kids aren't listed. Also noticed that Sloan is actually spelled 'Slaone' on the list. Perhaps she has two pages - the top on in the preview was the list of menu items Ducky gave her, then the one in the episode is her own page where she listed the names then started assigning those menu items. The handwriting is distinctly different, and not just that the preview page is in all caps and the episode page is mixed case.
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Post by fanthom8 on Nov 25, 2017 20:14:29 GMT
I have seen every episode of NCIS, and I have to say, this was the dumbest one of all.
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