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Post by llyan on Jan 24, 2018 0:30:45 GMT
Yet ANOTHER preview:
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Post by kate06460 on Jan 24, 2018 2:18:41 GMT
I missed that but I can always take a look on line tomorrow. This was a good story..and episode.
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Post by llyan on Jan 24, 2018 2:24:49 GMT
Poll is up.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jan 24, 2018 2:59:03 GMT
She's sending out the picture, but Lizze looks like she'd rather be anywhere else. |
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Post by nas on Jan 24, 2018 4:20:27 GMT
no, no, and NO!!
1. opening scene shows an argument between a couple over husband/fiancé/boyfriend (whichever?) cheating; idiot isn't even smart enough to get rid of the lacey red "Victoria's Secret" goodies...
then the douche bag is seen hitting on Bishop while she's questioning him - - lovely! 😡
2. meet Mandy, snotty teenager and Kayla Vance's gal pal... lovely!
3. Kayla is arrested for shoplifting - and Leon is beside himself... lovely!
y'all watched the same show I did, so let's just skip to the last 3 minutes, okay?
4. so the couple that stole - um sorry, "rescued" - a baby, named Genevieve, 15 years earlier get off scottfree just because the biological father goes from being an obnoxious, #1 a-hole to a big ol' softie in a matter of minutes, and signs a piece of paper relinquishing all parental rights...
seriously?! it's that simple? - or is that really how it works in the D.C. area?
and do they just have a copy of that form handy in the NCIS office?
5. so 17 year old Kayla is taking the fall for 18 year old Mandy so she can pursue her "higher education" by not getting a THIRD shoplifting charge on her record?!
apparently, Mandy isn't so interested in "higher education" as she is in lifting a purse before heading off to school in the morning.
also apparently, the kid is unrepentant - and certainly hasn't overcome her "5 finger discount" habit...
I don't see Kayla as a "heroine/sweetheart of a kid" as much as a "chump" with bad taste in friends...
6. did I miss it or was there absolutely no mention of Vance's son?
based on this episode you would think that Kayla is an only child...
this episode made me glad I'm done raising my teenage daughters!
final note...
let's not ignore the Elephant in the Room, shall we?:
one would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to notice that Mark Harmon and Pauley Perrette have not appeared in one scene together so far this season...
I have my own theory about this but I'm gonna keep it to myself...
there are things that happened with the departure of Michael Weathley that were never disclosed, and you can bet you will never read or hear anything about PP's departure either...
nas
(looks like the "old nas" is back this week, eh?  )
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jan 24, 2018 5:26:41 GMT
no, no, and NO!!
Palmer didn't get rid of Agent Lee's goodies either, though I think those might have been leopard print. I've heard several older comics tell it, but there's an old joke about a guy telling his friend that his girdle is uncomfortable, the friend asks how long he's been wearing a girdle, and he replies ever since his wife found it in the glove box.
And his inability to see he's not going to get anywhere shows why he got caught in the first place.
Well, the girl may have tilted the balance. He was already somewhat worn down by being told he'd have to file for custody. And who knows, even though he didn't seem to bright he may have realized that if he got that custody he'd have to face her every day, likely being sad about her "adoptive" parents.
As for the form, we have no idea how long it was between the 'parents' confessing and when the guy was brought in. Doesn't seem like that document would be a standard form, but we know because of Agent Lee working in it that NCIS has a legal department. There may have been time for one of them to draw one up (though I really doubt it would be a single page.
I also don't buy that Mandy could have called Kayla and asked her to get over to the mall because she was about to get caught. Kayla had to have already been there with Mandy and even then they would have had to be together and the arresting officer should have mentioned that.
Yes, I'd already thought they should have included something where Mandy would be doing the community service along with Kayla as a "volunteer", whether it be her repentance or Vance's condition of allowing things to play out as they did.
I made the comparison to the daughter on Castle, but I think it's in another thread.
He's hanging out with Chuck Cunningham. Vance was going to visit him but alas he didn't go to Jared.
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Post by nas on Jan 24, 2018 9:06:22 GMT
well, Mandy showed up at the Vance house - - then she and Kayla left for school together...
so I would assume they took the detour to the mall together, too...
but how Mandy lifted the purse and dumped it on Kayla, then presumably disappeared leaving Kayla [alone] to get busted for shoplifting is anybody's guess...
just one of the things we're supposed to assume that "it happened that way"...
another example of the bad, hard to believe writing for this episode, imo...
nas
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jan 24, 2018 13:15:23 GMT
4. so the couple that stole - um sorry, "rescued" - a baby, named Genevieve, 15 years earlier get off scottfree just because the biological father goes from being an obnoxious, #1 a-hole to a big ol' softie in a matter of minutes, and signs a piece of paper relinquishing all parental rights...
seriously?! it's that simple? - or is that really how it works in the D.C. area?
and do they just have a copy of that form handy in the NCIS office?
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Post by llyan on Jan 24, 2018 13:44:01 GMT
4. so the couple that stole - um sorry, "rescued" - a baby, named Genevieve, 15 years earlier get off scottfree just because the biological father goes from being an obnoxious, #1 a-hole to a big ol' softie in a matter of minutes, and signs a piece of paper relinquishing all parental rights...
seriously?! it's that simple? - or is that really how it works in the D.C. area?
and do they just have a copy of that form handy in the NCIS office?
This is one of those episodes where the story (ie the theme of the episode) ended before the whole story played out. The family that kidnapped the girl (ahem, rescued), would be in some serious trouble. The father signing over parental rights would not eliminate the crimes they committed. However, I could see that it would help mitigate the punishment. It is still possible that one of the parents could go to jail for their crimes. Like Gibbs said, it would have to go through family court, signed paper or not. If they got a sympathetic judge, they might get off with probation or community service or a hefty fine. Either way, there's more to their story than what we'll get to see and I'm ok with leaving that story line with a slightly messy ending.
The same goes with Vance and Kayla and her friend. Kayla taking the rap for her friend was noble but unless the friend changes her ways, it'll be useless. But, now that Vance knows what's going on, I would bet good money he would take an interest in Mandy and help her stay on the straight and narrow. If I were him, the only way I'd let Kayla take the blame for what her friend did would be if she shared in the punishment.
On that note, Kayla is still way too flippant about what she did. But I guess that's a typical teenage thing? |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jan 24, 2018 15:24:18 GMT
I thought of it after my post last night, but they probably have a copy of the form on file from season 5's episode 'Family' where the rich couple cut the unborn baby out of their surrogate's womb and took it home, leaving the surrogate's body to rot. Then at the end of the episode the baby is given to the couple. It was the one that ended with Tony burning the note Jeanne left him in the couple's fireplace.
This is one of those episodes where the story (ie the theme of the episode) ended before the whole story played out. The family that kidnapped the girl (ahem, rescued), would be in some serious trouble. The father signing over parental rights would not eliminate the crimes they committed. However, I could see that it would help mitigate the punishment. It is still possible that one of the parents could go to jail for their crimes. Like Gibbs said, it would have to go through family court, signed paper or not. If they got a sympathetic judge, they might get off with probation or community service or a hefty fine. Either way, there's more to their story than what we'll get to see and I'm ok with leaving that story line with a slightly messy ending.
The same goes with Vance and Kayla and her friend. Kayla taking the rap for her friend was noble but unless the friend changes her ways, it'll be useless. But, now that Vance knows what's going on, I would bet good money he would take an interest in Mandy and help her stay on the straight and narrow. If I were him, the only way I'd let Kayla take the blame for what her friend did would be if she shared in the punishment.
On that note, Kayla is still way too flippant about what she did. But I guess that's a typical teenage thing?
I'm not sure what the typical teenage thing is these days, but I know if I'd tried to be that flippant back in the 80's I would have at minimum had all driving privileges revoked and not been allowed anywhere near the television for quite a while (the dark ages with no cell phones or internet access to take away).
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Post by pdsmith777 on Jan 24, 2018 17:13:40 GMT
In Family, the girl who died gave birth before she died. I forget if she died because of the birth or if her boyfriend's father killed her though. Either way, she and the boyfriend had conspired to kidnap the child, which was biologically the rich family's. She was just their surrogate. The girl and her boyfriend never had any parental rights to the baby.
This is one of those episodes where the story (ie the theme of the episode) ended before the whole story played out. The family that kidnapped the girl (ahem, rescued), would be in some serious trouble. The father signing over parental rights would not eliminate the crimes they committed. However, I could see that it would help mitigate the punishment. It is still possible that one of the parents could go to jail for their crimes. Like Gibbs said, it would have to go through family court, signed paper or not. If they got a sympathetic judge, they might get off with probation or community service or a hefty fine. Either way, there's more to their story than what we'll get to see and I'm ok with leaving that story line with a slightly messy ending.
The same goes with Vance and Kayla and her friend. Kayla taking the rap for her friend was noble but unless the friend changes her ways, it'll be useless. But, now that Vance knows what's going on, I would bet good money he would take an interest in Mandy and help her stay on the straight and narrow. If I were him, the only way I'd let Kayla take the blame for what her friend did would be if she shared in the punishment.
On that note, Kayla is still way too flippant about what she did. But I guess that's a typical teenage thing?
I'm not sure what the typical teenage thing is these days, but I know if I'd tried to be that flippant back in the 80's I would have at minimum had all driving privileges revoked and not been allowed anywhere near the television for quite a while (the dark ages with no cell phones or internet access to take away).
Over all I thought the show was one of the better ones this season, I've been somewhat disappointed with the quality this season. I missed the other Kayla, thought she would have done a better job with the part/story.
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Post by llyan on Jan 24, 2018 18:00:00 GMT
I guess what I meant when I said flippant, I wasn't referring to her interaction with her father. I meant more that she was brushing off the seriousness of the charges and the consequences of her actions. And that is a typical teenage reaction.
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Post by nas on Jan 24, 2018 19:51:38 GMT
the attitude between Leon and Kayla discussing how she was going to serve her Community Service time was far too cavalier...
they treated it as if it was gonna be "fun" for her, and not a punishment for a crime - which, incidentally, she didn't commit!
the writer(s) totally missed the point here, by mishandling the situation of "crime and punishment"...
sadly, I think many parents today lack good parenting skills and a whole generation of spoiled/entitled kids are emerging...
I said "many" - not "all"!
re "5 Finger Discount Mandy":
as the saying goes, with friends like that you don't need enemies...
again,, the writer(s) missed the whole point, and sent the message that if a criminal can find a "chump" to take the fall for you, then why bother to change your ways...
the more I've thought about this episode, the more pissed off I get...😡
it was really unbelievably dumb!
don't the actors think about all these plot holes when they're sitting around the table reading the script - or do they really believe it's a "great story"?
nas
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Post by Hari Seldon on Jan 24, 2018 21:12:26 GMT
don't the actors think about all these plot holes when they're sitting around the table reading the script - or do they really believe it's a "great story"?
nas
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Jan 24, 2018 23:40:50 GMT
She's sending out the picture, but Lizze looks like she'd rather be anywhere else.
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