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Post by nas on May 8, 2019 21:20:34 GMT
yep, there it is folks! end of story... thanx, NewBe!
I don’t know about you guys - or the NCIS writers - but I, for one, am done discussing this subject... as kate wrote in her post, no point in beating this “dead 🐴”...
nas
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Post by pdsmith777 on May 10, 2019 2:41:45 GMT
I know this has nothing to do with the episode directly, but the mention of the song brought this to mind. (if the link works)
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Post by llyan on May 10, 2019 12:45:42 GMT
Here's the full song by Kaleo. I dunno why, but the tone of music just fit perfectly to the tone of the end of the episode. I dunno, the best description I can think of is: darkly triumphant?
The lyrics are appropriate too.
[Intro] Oh, father, tell me, do we get what we deserve? Oh, we get what we deserve
[Chorus] And way down we go-o-o-o-o Way down we go-o-o-o-o Say way down we go Way down we go
[Verse] Oh, you let your feet run wild Time has come as we all oh, go down Yeah, but for the fall, my Do you dare to look him right in the eyes?
[Pre-Chorus] Oh, 'cause they will run you down, down 'til the dark Yes, and they will run you down, down 'til you fall And they will run you down, down 'til you go Yeah, 'til you can't crawl no more
[Chorus 2] And way down we go-o-o-o-o Oh way down we go Say way down we go 'Cause they will run you down, down 'til you fall Way down we go, ooh Oh, 'cause they will run you down, down 'til you fall Oh, way down we go
[Interlude]
[Bridge] Oh bab-bab-yeah Wow baby-a-aha Baby, ooh Way down we go Yeah
[Outro] And way down we go-o-o-o-o Way down we go Say way down we go, ooh Way down we go
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Post by luckysmom on May 10, 2019 23:18:07 GMT
Great description and thanks for the clip. I thought the music was a very good choice.
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Post by tuna1 on May 10, 2019 23:59:29 GMT
Really liked this episode. I had B.J. Hunnicut pegged as being a bad guy right from the start. My only question is..How did the judge find out about Pedro Hernandez in the first place?
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Post by nas on May 11, 2019 19:07:45 GMT
that is an excellent question, tuna, and one I thought of, also...
the other “targets” of this little vigilante group were all tried and found not guilty here in the U.S. - those cases were all recorded in this country’s court system... however, Hernandez was murdered by LJG in Mexico, and to the best of anyone’s knowledge here in the States there was no record of it... so how did the judge know about it?
but the writers didn’t give any consideration to that fact; they just used the decades old killing to create another “get Gibbs” episode...
I guess thinking things thru is not the “long suit” for the writers of NCIS... 😕
nas
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Post by pdsmith777 on May 11, 2019 19:32:08 GMT
that is an excellent question, tuna, and one I thought of, also...
the other “targets” of this little vigilante group were all tried and found not guilty here in the U.S. - those cases were all recorded in this country’s court system... however, Hernandez was murdered by LJG in Mexico, and to the best of anyone’s knowledge here in the States there was no record of it... so how did the judge know about it?
but the writers didn’t give any consideration to that fact; they just used the decades old killing to create another “get Gibbs” episode...
I guess thinking things thru is not the “long suit” for the writers of NCIS... 😕
nas You forget that Macy conducted an official NIS investigation and cleared Gibbs. (that can be found at the end of the NCIS:LA backdoor pilot from season 7 I believe) And remember, it wasn't Macy that told Gibbs, it was Nate. Therefore, there would be an official investigation on file at NCIS. Also, what seems to be forgotten is that while Abby only made one copy of her report for Alejandro, she never sent it to him, but M. Allison had a copy and went to Gibbs place the morning that Ziva was to be sworn in as an American Citizen. It can only be presumed that Abby sent the report to M. Allison instead of Alejandro. What she did with the report, other than lay it down on the table in front of Gibbs, no one knows.
That being said, Ducky made the implication to Shepherd that Gibbs wouldn't let the death of Shannon and Kelly go unpunished when they were trying to find Mike Franks at the beginning of season 3, or 4? "Hiatus". Considering how long Leon has held the job, Personally I wouldn't be surprised if he had found Macy's file. I also wouldn't be surprised if Hattie didn't know, and if Granger (?) wouldn't have known while he was alive. (TV) Leaders of agencies generally keep that information close to their vests and hold it over the other characters when it serves their best interest.
Just saying.
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Post by jessielee on May 11, 2019 20:05:38 GMT
You forget that Macy conducted an official NIS investigation and cleared Gibbs. (that can be found at the end of the NCIS:LA backdoor pilot from season 7 I believe) And remember, it wasn't Macy that told Gibbs, it was Nate. Therefore, there would be an official investigation on file at NCIS. Also, what seems to be forgotten is that while Abby only made one copy of her report for Alejandro, she never sent it to him, but M. Allison had a copy and went to Gibbs place the morning that Ziva was to be sworn in as an American Citizen. It can only be presumed that Abby sent the report to M. Allison instead of Alejandro. What she did with the report, other than lay it down on the table in front of Gibbs, no one knows. Gibbs told Abby to send it to Alejandro's task force (against the drug cartels) and she said she did. However, Alejandro and Paloma were working with Colonel Merton Bell whose lawyer was M. Allison Hart who also worked with Alejandro and NCIS. So, Hart intercepted the report and later gave it to Gibbs, telling him she would beat the case. The report ended up with Vance (can't remember if they told us how), but he and Gibbs were talking about it. Vance claimed he never did read that report (highly doubt that) and that a 30 year old cold Mexican case is not his business. Vance at first hid it in one of the many closed case boxes in the NCIS storage room to be never found again. Much later, Vance retrieved that report and shredded it in his office. It was "Damned if you do" because Parsons was after Gibbs and had asked Vance about a missing file aka Abby's report. Ducky examined the body of Hernandez, shouldn't he have written a report as well? That was never mentioned. And what happend to the bullet
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on May 11, 2019 20:48:25 GMT
I don’t remember Ducky requesting the actual body from Mexico and having it sent to him for a look-see. That whose Alejandro/Paloma storyline is rather a blur to me.
Could the judge’s clerk have done a search for dirt on Gibbs and come across Ziva’s dossiers on the whole team she did for Ari?
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Post by nas on May 11, 2019 20:51:28 GMT
whoa, pd and jessielee! you’re good! you sure remember more details than I do... that certainly could explain it... 👍 thanx!
nas
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Post by jessielee on May 11, 2019 21:11:35 GMT
I don’t remember Ducky requesting the actual body from Mexico and having it sent to him for a look-see. That whose Alejandro/Paloma storyline is rather a blur to me. Could the judge’s clerk have done a search for dirt on Gibbs and come across Ziva’s dossiers on the whole team she did for Ari? It either was Abby who requested it or Alejandro offered it. But it was in Autopsy with Palmer and Ducky tending to the body that Gibbs learned about Abby's cold case and that someone was after him, though he thought it was Bell. The other question is: what happend to the shell Paloma gave Abby on her field trip in Mexico and to the actual bullet Ducky retrieved from Hernandez body, the one Abby's report is based on? Did someone retrieve them or are they still in evidence? That would be a problem! I highly doubt anyone could have come across Ziva's dossiers; after all she made them for Ari. What he did with them, we were never told. Either he destroyed them or hid them in one of his safe places. They are Mossad dossiers (and actually there still may be a copy of them at Mossad or the copies were at Ziva's farmhouse which was burnt down) and I doubt that the judge or the clerk could get their hands on them. They probably found Macy's initial investigation report while digging up dirt on Gibbs and maybe Franks report about Hernandez and him fleeing to Mexico and the extradition was denied. Which leaves the question: how were they able to get their hands on NIS reports?
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Post by pdsmith777 on May 11, 2019 21:35:09 GMT
I don’t remember Ducky requesting the actual body from Mexico and having it sent to him for a look-see. That whose Alejandro/Paloma storyline is rather a blur to me. Could the judge’s clerk have done a search for dirt on Gibbs and come across Ziva’s dossiers on the whole team she did for Ari? It either was Abby who requested it or Alejandro offered it. But it was in Autopsy with Palmer and Ducky tending to the body that Gibbs learned about Abby's cold case and that someone was after him, though he thought it was Bell. The other question is: what happend to the shell Paloma gave Abby on her field trip in Mexico and to the actual bullet Ducky retrieved from Hernandez body, the one Abby's report is based on? Did someone retrieve them or are they still in evidence? That would be a problem! I highly doubt anyone could have come across Ziva's dossiers; after all she made them for Ari. What he did with them, we were never told. Either he destroyed them or hid them in one of his safe places. They are Mossad dossiers (and actually there still may be a copy of them at Mossad or the copies were at Ziva's farmhouse which was burnt down) and I doubt that the judge or the clerk could get their hands on them. They probably found Macy's initial investigation report while digging up dirt on Gibbs and maybe Franks report about Hernandez and him fleeing to Mexico and the extradition was denied. Which leaves the question: how were they able to get their hands on NIS reports? Since 911 there was a concentrated effort to increase and improve inter-agency cooperation at the Federal and Local levels of law enforcement in order to prevent another NY/Washington type attack. I can't say for certain, but I would imagine that access to records from the past would be available to any who requested access to look for connections from past cases to present cases. Now, who would WANT to go through all those files is beyond me, but in this case, clearly the judge was looking for something. Perhaps Gibbs' reputation precedes him.
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Post by nas on May 11, 2019 22:54:02 GMT
it really makes no sense why someone would want to go through all those files, pd...
but like I said, it’s just the latest in the long list of “get Gibbs” episodes... if the writers don’t do this periodically, they’re just not happy!
🤔 um, perhaps the NCIS series Grand Finale will have one of LJG’s enemies finally succeeding in “getting him”...
curtain down... screen goes dark... The END!
eta: I wasn’t happy about it when Team Gibbs killed off Trent Kort by shooting him over and over and over again... but David Dayan Fisher called his “swan song” EPIC!! apparently, some actors think dying is a great way to leave a show/movie... not exactly my idea of fun, but hey, to each his own... 😉
nas
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Post by jessielee on May 12, 2019 13:12:20 GMT
eta: I wasn’t happy about it when Team Gibbs killed off Trent Kort by shooting him over and over and over again... but David Dayan Fisher called his “swan song” EPIC!! apparently, some actors think dying is a great way to leave a show/movie... not exactly my idea of fun, but hey, to each his own... 😉
nas Duane Henry was also happy with his character dying.... In my opinion Reeves deserved a better send off than dying for Abby, this was meaningless. Trent Kort was at least an interesting nemesis, and they overdid that scene. Plus if they now go down the rabbit hole that Ziva is alive, it was another meaningless death.
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