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Post by luckysmom on May 8, 2019 2:54:52 GMT
For once I am the first one to comment! I want to digest it a bit but these are my initial thoughts ... (oops - llyan beat me! I am usually behind on veiwing, being one of the first to post is a thrill).
Not a fan of a few major items - Pedro Hernandez (again) and Gibbs witholding information while everyone walks around on eggshells around Gibbs, afraid to challenge him. This seems like it is an early season theme, enough already.
I loved the retro bowling alley and really enjoyed Mike Farrell.
More to say later ...
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Post by pdsmith777 on May 8, 2019 3:12:08 GMT
Loved Mike Ferrell in this. Wish they had had Loretta Switt as the final judge, that would have been priceless.
Overall, enjoyed the episode. Well done by all.
One last point, Mike Ferrell look's bad in orange. Just saying.
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Post by nas on May 8, 2019 8:13:01 GMT
just a few random thoughts & questions:
~ what an odd episode... 
~ who likes to work in fear of their boss?
apparently McGee, Bishop, and Torres do...
~ quote McGee:
”If Deakin had anything concrete against Gibbs he would have used the actual justice system, not his own.”
um, excuse me? Gibbs told all three of them in the elevator, “I killed the man who killed my family.”
what more proof do they need to believe the man is a murderer?
~ why are they (the writers) revisiting the old Pedro Hernandez case anyway?
we’ve been there before - at least a couple of times...
I’ll answer my own question here : they’re running out of original ideas…
~ there is no statute of limitations for murder...
under the circumstances, shouldn’t LJG face murder charges now that he “confessed” to 3 people that he blew Hernandez away?
~ 🤔 why does the word hypocrisy keep bangin’ around in my head?
nas
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Post by luckysmom on May 8, 2019 10:29:44 GMT
My thought exactly -esp when the judge was a woman! That would have been great!
That is what you would think. This is one of the topics I would be happy to never visit again.
I did too, and I like when they play the music during the last scene.
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Post by verdun on May 8, 2019 12:59:09 GMT
So explain to me again why the villain and his 4 coconspirators don't tell the DA about Gibbs and Hernandez? Surely someone would believe at least one of them? Too many loose ends in this one.
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Post by llyan on May 8, 2019 13:09:31 GMT
So explain to me again why the villain and his 4 coconspirators don't tell the DA about Gibbs and Hernandez? Surely someone would believe at least one of them? Too many loose ends in this one. |
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Post by Hari Seldon on May 8, 2019 14:12:17 GMT
”If Deakin had anything concrete against Gibbs he would have used the actual justice system, not his own.”
um, excuse me? Gibbs told all three of them in the elevator, “I killed the man who killed my family.”
what more proof do they need to believe the man is a murderer?
I thought McGee found out back in season 7. I think everyone else did - Ducky, Vance, and Abby defintely, but I thought Tony, Ziva, and McGee did too.
Actually, he committed the act in Mexico which last time I checked (season 7 I think) has a 14 year statute of limitations. I don't know if there's ex post facto protection if the law has or gets changed. |
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Post by dave626 on May 8, 2019 14:21:10 GMT
1. They are criminals. They murder people who evade the justice system. Their credibility is shot. Pun intended. 2. Gibb's team would never turn on him. The director knows and had the only evidence, Abby's report, shredded. 3. As of said report, that was the only forensic evidence linking Gibbs to the crime. Everything else is hearsay. It's gone.
Bottom line, no bullet, no report, no proof. The so called consortium has no concrete evidence 30 years later. Of course Gibbs is the prime suspect, but he was cleared by Macy. Who is also dead. A group of vigilante killers have no legal leg to stand on. Last but not least, SecDef is now in Vance's back pocket, *if* charges were to be filed, SecDef can just sweep it under a rug or even get the President to "pardon" Gibbs like Trump is doing in real life to another murderer.
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Post by llyan on May 8, 2019 15:25:38 GMT
”If Deakin had anything concrete against Gibbs he would have used the actual justice system, not his own.”
um, excuse me? Gibbs told all three of them in the elevator, “I killed the man who killed my family.”
what more proof do they need to believe the man is a murderer?
I thought McGee found out back in season 7. I think everyone else did - Ducky, Vance, and Abby defintely, but I thought Tony, Ziva, and McGee did too.
After everything with the Reynosa cartel, if McGee doesn't know that Gibbs was the one who shot Hernandez, he's being purposefully obtuse. He was almost abducted by Paloma Reynosa and I'm pretty sure they all knew she was Pedro's daughter when they figured out that Alejandro Rivera was her brother in season 7 like Hari Seldon said. And they didn't confirm it in words in the season 13 episode Personal Day when Mitch showed up during his attempt to get Benson Long, who seemed to be the one who ordered Pedro to kill Shannon and Kelly but Tim and Tony definitely shared a look that all but said that they knew Gibbs killed Hernandez. Bishop was there at the time, so it really shouldn't be a surprise to her either.
The thing that I found most interesting about that scene was that when he said that he killed the man that killed his family, Gibbs was only looking at Tim. He didn't look at Bishop or Torres until after his confession. I interpreted that as he was more concerned with what Tim would think of him than he was of Bishop and Torres (he still cared just not as much.) |
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Post by luckysmom on May 8, 2019 17:50:27 GMT
Thme knowing and Gibbs admitting it outright are two different things. I believe that this is the first time he said "I killed the man who killed my family."
I thought the same thing - just not sure of how to interpret it.
With how long Vance was holding the coin I was wondering the direction the showrunners are going to go with it. But Pedro Hernandez was a civilian, wouldn't his murder go to a civilian court? In Mexico if he was shot there?
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Post by Hari Seldon on May 8, 2019 18:48:42 GMT
With how long Vance was holding the coin I was wondering the direction the showrunners are going to go with it. But Pedro Hernandez was a civilian, wouldn't his murder go to a civilian court? In Mexico if he was shot there? |
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Post by kate06460 on May 8, 2019 19:22:04 GMT
When I saw it was rehashing Pedro Hernandez i turned it off. Turned it on the last five minutes...will have to see all that I missed. This whole dead horse scenario is probably getting old.
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Post by jessielee on May 8, 2019 19:27:09 GMT
With how long Vance was holding the coin I was wondering the direction the showrunners are going to go with it. But Pedro Hernandez was a civilian, wouldn't his murder go to a civilian court? In Mexico if he was shot there? Statute of Limiations in Mexico is either 13 or 14 years. Though there was a request made in 2012 to then Secretary of State Clinton to renegotiate the Extradiction Treaty between the USA and Mexico reg. extradition to cases that satisfy Mexico’s statute of limitations because Mexico still restrict extradition in serious criminal cases (eg. murder cases). |
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Post by nas on May 8, 2019 19:44:02 GMT
oh, riiiight, Hari...
I remember discussing this 14 year statute of limitations subject back then - 9 years ago!
and here we are discussing it all over again...
like I said in my previous post, the writers are rehashing old news, and they seriously need something new to write about - as do we...
all I know is if I killed someone who killed members of my family I would be held accountable for it - even if my defense was “temporary insanity due to emotional stress”...
but this situation with LJG walking free and everyone covering for him just “chaps my hynie” 😖
I am seriously tired of him being depicted as this all-powerful, almighty hero of men!
he is so many things in a human being that I just cannot tolerate!
THERE, I’VE SAID IT!
end of rant...
nas
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on May 8, 2019 20:14:09 GMT
just a few random thoughts & questions:
~ what an odd episode...
~ who likes to work in fear of their boss?
apparently McGee, Bishop, and Torres do...
~ quote McGee:
”If Deakin had anything concrete against Gibbs he would have used the actual justice system, not his own.”
um, excuse me? Gibbs told all three of them in the elevator, “I killed the man who killed my family.”
what more proof do they need to believe the man is a murderer?
~ why are they (the writers) revisiting the old Pedro Hernandez case anyway?
we’ve been there before - at least a couple of times...
I’ll answer my own question here : they’re running out of original ideas…
~ there is no statute of limitations for murder...
under the circumstances, shouldn’t LJG face murder charges now that he “confessed” to 3 people that he blew Hernandez away?
~ 🤔 why does the word hypocrisy keep bangin’ around in my head?
nas There’s the rub. The murder took place across the boarder and the DO have a statute of limitations on murder. In any case Mexico has no interest in prosecuting the killer of a drug lord. US has no jurisdiction unless Mexico wants him tried. |
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