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Post by nas on May 15, 2019 19:16:23 GMT
after watching the episode - twice - I have just a few random comments/questions:
1) the “crime” was just ridiculous - way too many why’s & how’s... after shooting victim #1 why did she take his body to a bridge and dump him over it at 5 a.m.? and how did she move the dead guy all alone? dead weight is not easy to move! it’s not exactly like she was a Russian weightlifter 🏋️... and why was victim #2 killed in what appears to be an alleyway? is Inga going to wear that $2.8 mil brooch on her jeans jacket forever? - or is she planning to take it to E.D. Marshall Jewelers and sell it?
2) the “session” between LJG and Grace was o.k. - but it went on a bit too long, imo... (I must admit, Grace did have a couple of lol lines re “stealing neighbor’s cable” and “good scotch”...)
3) the “I’m fine! you fine?” Team Gibbs “dance” at the end was annoying... spit it out, ffs! talk about it - and move on!!
and, finally...
4) apparently Dr. Grace has only 2 patients - Jack and Gibbs... how else would Jack have known she had to leave mid-session to help someone else - that someone being Gibbs? it could have been anyone, but I guess the doctor’s patient list is verrrry short...
nas
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Post by Hari Seldon on May 15, 2019 19:26:25 GMT
Nah. For either of those Jack would have said 'he'. She said 'they'. The only reason to use a gender neutral pronoun there is to hide that she means a 'she'. It's going to be Kasie. Diona is openly lesbian and I thought one of the articles posted on here said that was going to spill over into her character. Unless Jack is talking about her child. She is lonely, perhaps she wants a relationship with her child, and her daughter isn't ready yet. No, she started out saying her daughter doesn't want to talk to her, then addressed her friends, then she got to the person who she wasn't sure "if they feel the same way". She was definitely talking about one person, but she used the plural form 'they' which only makes sense if it's to conceal gender.
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Post by Hari Seldon on May 15, 2019 19:33:23 GMT
after watching the episode - twice - I have just a few random comments/questions:
1) the “crime” was just ridiculous - way too many why’s & how’s... after shooting victim #1 why did she take his body to a bridge and dump him over it at 5 a.m.? and how did she move the dead guy all alone? dead weight is not easy to move! it’s not exactly like she was a Russian weightlifter 🏋️... and why was victim #2 killed in what appears to be an alleyway? is Inga going to wear that $2.8 mil brooch on her jeans jacket forever? - or is she planning to take it to E.D. Marshall Jewelers and sell it?
2) the “session” between LJG and Grace was o.k. - but it went on a bit too long, imo... (I must admit, Grace did have a couple of lol lines re “stealing neighbor’s cable” and “good scotch”...)
3) the “I’m fine! you fine?” Team Gibbs “dance” at the end was annoying... spit it out, ffs! talk about it - and move on!!
and, finally...
4) apparently Dr. Grace has only 2 patients - Jack and Gibbs... how else would Jack have known she had to leave mid-session to help someone else - that someone being Gibbs? it could have been anyone, but I guess the doctor’s patient list is verrrry short...
nas
And a possible plot hole - wasn't victim #2 killed while the fake wife was in protective custody?
As for #4, Jack may have seen the ID on the phone or maybe Grace said his name while she was on the phone, she is usually rather observant. If Jack knew it was Gibbs on the phone, she probably told Grace just to go.
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Post by jessielee on May 15, 2019 19:56:24 GMT
The three acted like.......they lost their brains. Talking this loud in the bullpen....and Jack had to remind them about it!!
Torres being the mature one of the trio. Pretty sure as deep cover agent he did some things that weren't exactly legal either. Didn't he confess to Gibbs that he planted evidence on some dirtbag because he constantly got away?
McGee - he was around when the Reynosa arc happened, during that arc he should have come to the conclusion that Gibbs killed Hernandez, especially since he was with Abby when Paloma appeared and threw her the shell. And if he hadn't gotten in together then, he should finally pieced it together in "Personal Day" when they finally grabbed Benson Long, the man behind the hit. And the DEA agent was the son of the NIS agent who died together with Shannon and Kelly. So him being now this shocked is bad writing and makes McGee looking highly incompetent as investigator!
And Bishop is a hypocrite. Obviously the writers completely forgot the fact that she set up terrorist Kai Chen as revenge for Qasim's death. Sure she didn't pull the trigger directly, but she handcuffed him to some machine and gave him the choice of either blowing up the building with him inside or wait for the Syrians whom she informed about his whereabouts and that he was working with CIA. She indirectly pulled the trigger on him and she did it for the same reason Gibbs killed Hernandez! Bishop actually should be the one to understand Gibbs better than any of the others. Oh, and not to mention there's the secret she has: Ziva's note!
And Gibbs wanting to turn himself in to the police? He can't think anymore? The murder happened in Mexico, and Mexico has a statute of limitations (13 or 14 years), so the case is long dead. Not that they should have much interest in finding the killer of a drug dealer....
But actually now too many people know Gibbs secret: Vance, Abby, Jack, Torres, McGee, Bishop, Grace Confalone, Ducky pieced it together long before he had the actual body on his table and I'm pretty sure Tony pieced it together as well.
Someone should headslap the writers very hard!
And please, no to a Sloane-Gibbs relationship, like HELL NO!! Each of them has too many secrets and too many burdens, a relationship is one of hell of a bad idea. They work best as friends.
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Post by llyan on May 15, 2019 20:26:43 GMT
First, great job by Harmon in this episode. Some real acting for a change. Also the writers have enough figured out about McGee, Bishop, and Torres that they had their responses to Gibbs' vengeance admission about right. Torres was least concerned (which makes sense for a former undercover agent), McGee a bit more so and Bishop even more. McGee, having worked with Gibbs longer, should probably have been more ready for an admission for Gibbs. It's unusual for the writers on this show to do a decent job with group reactions, but I think they did better than I might have expected. I agree with what you said. Torres, being the former undercover agent, probably has done some shifty things in his life and doesn't see this as an issue. Bishop, I think, was the only one who was actually bothered by Gibbs' admission to murder.
I thought McGee's reaction was probably the more interesting of the three. He didn't seem so bothered by what Gibbs did. He just had no idea what he was supposed to do with that information now that he had it. (I still believe he knew that Gibbs killed Pedro but knowing that and having Gibbs admit it are two different things.) In a way, I think that Tim's internal battle mirrored the internal battle that Gibbs was having. I think that now that McGee is married and is a father, he really empathized with what Gibbs did. But at the same time, like Gibbs, he wants to do the right thing and like or not, Gibbs did confess to murder. Did Gibbs expect them to report him like Gibbs did to Fornell? It might be pass the statute of limitations for Gibbs to face trial, but his admission would definitely have professional consequences for Gibbs since NCIS could not keep a (known) murderer on it's staff. Kinda leaves Tim between a rock and a hard place. He really shouldn't ignore Gibbs admission of murder but he also wants to protect Gibbs.
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Post by luckysmom on May 15, 2019 21:28:38 GMT
I definitely felt this. I am not sure I would call Torres' response mature, but I agree he was handling it the best out of the three of them and was correct in the fact that McGee and Bishop were allowing it to distract them. I was very disappointed in the way that McGee and Bishop were portrayed - I am not sure how I would describe their behavior. Immature?
I agree that he had to know what GIbbs did, if the writers follow the story line. With the entire Reynosa arc there is no way he could not have known. But the writers tend to pick and chose the continuity so I am not sure what they are trying to portray. I too think he was not as bothered by what Gibbs did as how he was supposed to react and handle it. I will go with your take on it.
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Post by kaschu32 on May 18, 2019 1:32:30 GMT
While I enjoyed the Gibbs/Grace part of the show. I had real issues with the Three Amigo's attempt to solve the case, and handling of the big news. I wondered right off the bat why they trusted the baseball bat wielding woman.....They didn't bother to bring up a picture of the wife? Then the general pettiness till the solve.... I'm guessing whoever wrote this episode didn't watch Bishop dispatch her fiance's killers episode.... or have any idea such a thing existed.... and then there is McGee he spent MONTHS in a prison camp with Gibbs, he's worked with Gibbs for years, why does finding this out surprise him? Did he think the Drug cartel that came after Gibbs a couple of years ago just picked Gibbs at random???
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