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Post by pdsmith777 on Apr 4, 2018 2:07:36 GMT
Good episode, nice follow up to last weeks strong showing. Liked the ending, reunion, daughters acceptance of father. Nice tie in to past episodes, (and I hate to say this, but it would have been stronger with Tony and Ziva there. [Now I have to go wash my hands after typing that]) nice to see Ducky again, and really great interaction between he and Palmer. However, I'm not sure I like the portrayal of Ducky as the aging, getting senile, old man. Yes, I know McCallum is getting up there, so is my dad, but if we're writing him out, let's make it with a bit more dignity than that.
I always like when Torres and Reeves are together, they have some pretty good chemistry, but once again, Reeves wasn't used enough.
There are a few questions that bug me. How did Dad get to states, and how did he know where daughter was? And how did they end up in DC? Shouldn't they be close to TX, NM, AZ, CA? And if they were found in the water was it the Atlantic or the Gulf? And most immigrants travel by land, not boat. So . . .
Not as good as last weeks, but very strong.
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Post by nas on Apr 4, 2018 2:45:25 GMT
Elena: "Why is his shirt so tight?" 😂 Bishop: "That's something we all want to know."
me: "um, because he's trying to look like LL Cool J?" 😉
nas
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Post by verdun on Apr 4, 2018 12:53:56 GMT
The less said about this episode the better. Trying to make a point about current affairs isn't an NCIS strong point.
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Post by llyan on Apr 4, 2018 15:29:31 GMT
The less said about this episode the better. Trying to make a point about current affairs isn't an NCIS strong point. I didn't really think that they were trying to make a point with this episode, unlike the episode Home of the Brave where they talked about the injustice of deporting a military veteran. In this episode, they presented it as an issue, put a little humanity behind it but didn't really take a stance on it other than Vance who said it was complicated.
And it is a complicated issue. Elena and her mother were fleeing violence and came here illegally. Her father came here illegally too. I don't think anyone was saying that the father ought to get off scot-free because he did steal weapons from a military base. But he is a witness against a dangerous gang and sending him and his daughter back to El Salvador, where the gang has a strong presence gives him a case for asylum even as his crimes are a case against it. Regardless, they didn't make any judgments about what should or shouldn't happen, although I do think the characters were (silently) worried that deporting the pair could result in them getting killed.
It was decidedly left open-ended, which makes me wonder if this will be revisited at the end of the season. I was strongly reminded of the ending of Burden of Proof with Jack and Gibbs realizing that their recently freed serial killer was a switch hitter. Just like then, the "what happens now" was a strongly-implied 'To Be Continued' tag to the episode.
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Post by nas on Apr 4, 2018 19:05:46 GMT
I have to agree with verdun on this one, llyan... the minute they opened their mouths I thought, "oh boy, they're trying to make a political statement about the deportation issue!"
to end the episode by saying, "it's complicated" was an understatement! there's no way a 44 minute show could say anything about deportation that would uncomplicate it... all they did was tell the viewers (well, some of us anyway) how the writers felt about it...
pdsmith brought up some very good questions about the episode in his post, like how did these characters wind up in D.C. and not in TX, AZ, NM, or CA? and how did the father know where/how to find his daughter?
all in all, imo, not a very good episode...
nas
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 4, 2018 20:44:44 GMT
I have to agree with verdun on this one, llyan... the minute they opened their mouths I thought, "oh boy, they're trying to make a political statement about the deportation issue!"
to end the episode by saying, "its complicated" was an understatement! there's no way a 44 minute show could say anything about deportation that would uncomplicate it... all they did was tell the viewers (well, some of us anyway) how the writers felt about it...
pdsmith brought up some very good questions about the episode in his post, like how did these characters wind up in D.C. and not in TX, AZ, NM, or CA? and how did the father know where/how to find his daughter?
all in all, imo, not a very good episode...
nas If this episode aired when there wasn't much going on with deportations I might believe it wasn't meant to be a big statement. I'd say the real anvil that was dropped was Jimmy's monologue about the history of immigration down in autopsy.
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Post by llyan on Apr 5, 2018 1:30:13 GMT
Anyone have an idea what the title of the episode meant? I'm not sure I see the connection from the episode to the title.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 5, 2018 1:40:27 GMT
Anyone have an idea what the title of the episode meant? I'm not sure I see the connection from the episode to the title. Well, if you were on the side of the episode being a statement on the immigration issue, I'd direct you to Jimmy's autopsy story about the US putting the restriction on the number of immigrants allowed to immigrate in 1921. Otherwise I have no ideas.
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Post by llyan on Apr 5, 2018 2:02:40 GMT
Anyone have an idea what the title of the episode meant? I'm not sure I see the connection from the episode to the title. Well, if you were on the side of the episode being a statement on the immigration issue, I'd direct you to Jimmy's autopsy story about the US putting the restriction on the number of immigrants allowed to immigrate in 1921. Otherwise I have no ideas. That's a better guess than any I've got!
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Post by usmcbrat on Apr 5, 2018 14:53:06 GMT
I think I missed something or there was really poor editing. One scene, they are looking for Elena in Gibbs's house and she was seen being taken by "Rico" by the neighbor that Gibbs' liked. After commercial, Elena is back in the the squad room with Jack. Que?
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Post by nas on Apr 5, 2018 18:55:17 GMT
if there was any doubt that this episode entitled "The Numerical Limit" was trying to make a political statement, then read the following article regarding immigration ("numerical limit" appears 4 times within the article) :www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-worksthat should clear up llyan's question about the meaning of this episode... I get enough about politics watching and reading the news; it really annoys me when I want to watch a show to be entertained and they try to turn it into a political statement/issue... 😠nas
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Post by luckysmom on Apr 10, 2018 3:29:53 GMT
I am just catching up with the last few episodes (busy in between the end of March Madness and the beginning of baseball). I thought there was an underlying political theme (or at least we know what the writers opinion is) to the episode. That being said they are correct in that the issue is complicated. I enjoyed the episode.
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