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Post by nas on May 9, 2018 21:45:26 GMT
I’ve told you before, fanthom, but I’ll say it again: I haven’t been a fan of Abby Sciuto for a long time - especially the “Gibbs x’s 5” version...
but I’ve also said, since her departure from the show was announced, that I wondered how the writers would handle it... remembering the crapolla job they did when Weatherly left I was curious if they were going to do the same to PP...
I don’t feel the need to justify what I wrote last night, nor do I feel hypocritical about my comments... I thought the script was well done, if not a bit rushed... like llyan wrote, that storyline could have been a 2-parter, but it wasn’t (I’m sure it was plenty long enough for you)...
I thought Pauley acted the hell out of her lines, and it’s too bad we had to wait so long to see the return of a more mature Abby... if she had portrayed Abby that way more often in the last few years perhaps she wouldn’t have annoyed so many of us... (I actually have a friend who loved Abby just the way she was - grown up or childish- he just loved her)...
I, myself, gained the reputation for being one of the shows harshest critics, but at least I posted something positive when I thought an episode was good - or if I liked other characters... this season it seems “a kinder, gentler nas” has emerged...
now, all that said, let me ask you a question: what keeps you watching the show every week and coming to the board, posting comments, and insulting other posters? you don’t seem to like anything about NCIS...
nas
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on May 9, 2018 22:45:04 GMT
Just to start the discussion - what I liked: The Gibbs poker game - liked that he is with other older people. I liked that they got Joe Spano in the episode - he has been there since the beginning too. The Tony phone call, the reference to him, that he and McGee are still in touch, the McNicknames. The flashbacks to the old cases and villains. The flashback with Reeves protecting Abby. The reference to the rules. Abby's home
I enjoyed seeing Spooner from Bloodbath again and Alejandro Rivera from the Renosa arc. Both good suspects. I was surprised it was King.
Reeves and Abby were good together. I think they were kindred spirits.
We haven't gotten rules in a long time so it was good to hear 45 (Clean up your mess).
What I did not like: Reeves dying. I liked the character although he was underutilized and never really got enough exposure. Abby went from critical to home in a day. Abby tricking the team and confronting King herself.
Reeves dying busted me up. You're right, he was under utilized. I don't think Frank & George knew what to do with him BUT I really wish he'd been recalled to MI-6 rather than being murdered.
"Two Days Later". Really. From on a ventilator to off it but still unconscious to released home and healthy other than her arm in a sling. One caption of "Ten Days Later" would have worked much better.
Confronting King by her self was rather bone headed but I kind of understand why she did it and it felt in-character. Loved her caf-pow powder way of getting him. I liked the end scene with her co workers.
That was pretty heartrending. Especially with Ducky - that hug is when I teared up. I felt bad for Jimmy because these two had long been each other's support system.
I thought the end scene with Gibbs, considering the probable cause it was clever.
Totally unacceptable for them not to suck it up and try to remember the 14 years of closeness they had (Mark & Pauley) to give their viewers something to latch on to. Sign language with him inside his house and her across the street would have been nice if they'd had a real scene before it. Ya know - one last goodbye before she was heading to the airport.
The emotional impact this episode could have had was lessened due to the obvious estrangement between the actors. I think if someone had staged an intervention right after the incident this could all have been avoided. As it is it appears she left with just as bad - if not worse - terms as Weatherly.
I though that if Abby lived they would say burn out, post traumatic stress. Very Abby like to memorialize Clayton through charity.
I liked the decision to leave being about carrying on for Clay. However, it needed to be a longer goodbye. Go back to work and after a few days realize it's not what she wanted anymore. Two episodes would have been much better and then have the season finale set weeks afterward and do whatever they're going to do now.
The elephant in the room though - I cannot imagine the working environment on the set with whatever was going on between PP and MH. I really felt bad that even in the last episode the only scene they were in together was when she was supposed to be unconscious. They worked together for 15 years (longer if you consider JAG episodes). That made me feel very sad.
I don't think they even filmed it together and Gibbs was actually Mark's stand-in. The only thing in that bed when Gibbs was looking down on Abby was a camera. The over the shoulder shots of her in bed was the stand in.
I do feel like with PP and MW gone and Davids role decreased the show is not the same show. It has not been the same for many years anyway with show runners changing and some of the "poor" writing and going against canon but this is symbolic. I have enjoyed this season, liked some of the episodes but it is not the same sharpness of the earlier season, but that has happened with any long term show.
It's the end of an era. I felt the changes mid-Season 7 and though I still enjoyed the show it never got it's earlier charm back. Frank and George are trying but without Gibbs, Tony, Abby & Ducky it's an uphill battle they're unlikely to win. Now I've gone and depressed myself.
I am glad that so many of PPs coworkers past and present reached out to her on social media. They did a much better send off then they did with MW but he seems to have landed on his feet and is doing well so it makes it a bit easier...
That was nice. Sasha. Sean. Michael. Duane. Wilmer. Emily. Brian.
Pauley did a great job - best of luck to her going forward.
She did! This is the Abby I loved. And I'm really proud of her for not even hinting at the trouble on the set on Twitter.
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Post by llyan on May 9, 2018 23:30:01 GMT
Emily posted this when they were filming the episode. I believe there was also a video of him dancing with the bunny ears but I couldn't download that. Attachments:
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Post by tuna1 on May 9, 2018 23:31:54 GMT
Just to start the discussion - what I liked: The Gibbs poker game - liked that he is with other older people. I liked that they got Joe Spano in the episode - he has been there since the beginning too. The Tony phone call, the reference to him, that he and McGee are still in touch, the McNicknames. The flashbacks to the old cases and villains. The flashback with Reeves protecting Abby. The reference to the rules. Abby's home
I enjoyed seeing Spooner from Bloodbath again and Alejandro Rivera from the Renosa arc. Both good suspects. I was surprised it was King.
Reeves and Abby were good together. I think they were kindred spirits.
We haven't gotten rules in a long time so it was good to hear 45 (Clean up your mess).
What I did not like: Reeves dying. I liked the character although he was underutilized and never really got enough exposure. Abby went from critical to home in a day. Abby tricking the team and confronting King herself.
Reeves dying busted me up. You're right, he was under utilized. I don't think Frank & George knew what to do with him BUT I really wish he'd been recalled to MI-6 rather than being murdered.
"Two Days Later". Really. From on a ventilator to off it but still unconscious to released home and healthy other than her arm in a sling. One caption of "Ten Days Later" would have worked much better.
Confronting King by her self was rather bone headed but I kind of understand why she did it and it felt in-character. Loved her caf-pow powder way of getting him. I liked the end scene with her co workers.
That was pretty heartrending. Especially with Ducky - that hug is when I teared up. I felt bad for Jimmy because these two had long been each other's support system.
I thought the end scene with Gibbs, considering the probable cause it was clever.
Totally unacceptable for them not to suck it up and try to remember the 14 years of closeness they had (Mark & Pauley) to give their viewers something to latch on to. Sign language with him inside his house and her across the street would have been nice if they'd had a real scene before it. Ya know - one last goodbye before she was heading to the airport.
The emotional impact this episode could have had was lessened due to the obvious estrangement between the actors. I think if someone had staged an intervention right after the incident this could all have been avoided. As it is it appears she left with just as bad - if not worse - terms as Weatherly.
I though that if Abby lived they would say burn out, post traumatic stress. Very Abby like to memorialize Clayton through charity.
I liked the decision to leave being about carrying on for Clay. However, it needed to be a longer goodbye. Go back to work and after a few days realize it's not what she wanted anymore. Two episodes would have been much better and then have the season finale set weeks afterward and do whatever they're going to do now.
The elephant in the room though - I cannot imagine the working environment on the set with whatever was going on between PP and MH. I really felt bad that even in the last episode the only scene they were in together was when she was supposed to be unconscious. They worked together for 15 years (longer if you consider JAG episodes). That made me feel very sad.
I don't think they even filmed it together and Gibbs was actually Mark's stand-in. The only thing in that bed when Gibbs was looking down on Abby was a camera. The over the shoulder shots of her in bed was the stand in.
I do feel like with PP and MW gone and Davids role decreased the show is not the same show. It has not been the same for many years anyway with show runners changing and some of the "poor" writing and going against canon but this is symbolic. I have enjoyed this season, liked some of the episodes but it is not the same sharpness of the earlier season, but that has happened with any long term show.
It's the end of an era. I felt the changes mid-Season 7 and though I still enjoyed the show it never got it's earlier charm back. Frank and George are trying but without Gibbs, Tony, Abby & Ducky it's an uphill battle they're unlikely to win. Now I've gone and depressed myself.
I am glad that so many of PPs coworkers past and present reached out to her on social media. They did a much better send off then they did with MW but he seems to have landed on his feet and is doing well so it makes it a bit easier...
That was nice. Sasha. Sean. Michael. Duane. Wilmer. Emily. Brian.
Pauley did a great job - best of luck to her going forward.
She did! This is the Abby I loved. And I'm really proud of her for not even hinting at the trouble on the set on Twitter.
I pretty much agree with everything above. I was wrong about Reeves' fate. I'm not overly saddened by Reeves' death though. I liked the character okay, but really he didn't belong. Who knows was Gary Glasberg had planned for him...my guess he was to become the British male version of Super Mossad Ninja Barbie. But Glasberg died and the new showrunners couldn't figure out what to do with him. From reading that interview with Duane Henry, I'm guessing he knew his character wouldn't fit too.
Anyway, I really thought it was a fitting and well done sendoff.
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Post by ballerina on May 10, 2018 0:01:48 GMT
still believe PP pissed someone off, writers, directors, show runners, Mark, payroll, that episode after 15 years on the show, the beloved Abby was shown the door, here's your hat what's your hurry, don't let the elevator stop on the wrong floor, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, no goodbye with director Vance? no long goodbye with her long time buddy Gibbs Gibbs Gibbs Gibbs Gibbs? the rest of the cast other McGee with his soap opera acting, didn't seem too upset with her leaving, something got rotten in Denmark on that show with her, and I bet it was m-o-n-e-y
but I for one am glad she's gone and I don't care who replaces her, it could be daffy duck and I wouldn't mind Makes me wish I was a fly on the wall to know what really went down and why PP really left
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Post by luckysmom on May 10, 2018 1:05:25 GMT
Yes exactly. Thinking about the relationship between Abby and Gibbs through the years and how close they were it would have been so much better to have a scene together - a good bye. I agree it lessened the impact of the episode. I felt really sad thinking about the Gibbs and Abby of the past, but also about what it would be like to be involved in work that you seem to like and have such an issue with a co worker. We can speculate all we want but the only thing we know is there is a pretty obvious estrangement.
Somewhere along the line they made the characters suffer for humor and lost the precision to detail in the cases, kind of dumbed it down for lack of a better term. I still watch and enjoy for the most part but it is not the same as the early seasons....
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Post by llyan on May 10, 2018 1:53:25 GMT
Did anyone notice that Abby sent the team to the Wild Goose Feed Supply store when she sent them to the wrong location?
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on May 10, 2018 1:57:55 GMT
Did anyone notice that Abby sent the team to the Wild Goose Feed Supply store when she sent them to the wrong location? NO! I missed that. Wild Good - chase. LOL! That's something I would have caught during my Observation days.
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Post by nas on May 10, 2018 3:03:50 GMT
finished rewatching “Two Steps Back” and will make a few comments about it now:
> they didn’t waste any time letting us know who was in the body bag, and for that I am grateful... when I saw it in the opening scene my first thought was, “oh crap, they’re gonna drag this out and make us guess if it’s Abby or Reeves on that table!” glad the writers didn’t go that route... I must admit, I did feel kinda sad knowing Duane Henry’s time with NCIS is over, but as we’ve mentioned before he’s been under-utilized on the show, and hopefully there’s bigger and better waiting for him out there (so he can keep his gold watch and his Range Rover)...
if you believe the interview he’s given, he was feeling wasted on the show, too, and is looking forward to more challenging work...
this was in one of llyan’s posts: much as I like Duane Henry, if there is ever to be a black James Bond that role belongs to Idris Elba, imho... Idris just reeks of the suave/debonaire 007... hopefully, there are other roles out there waiting for the “hubba hubba Henry” 😋...
> lots of great comments about the episode have already been posted so I’ll try not to repeat them... but I must agree that taking Pauley from critical and in a coma to conscious and out of the hospital “two days later” was ridiculous! NewBe said “two weeks later” would have been more believable; just goes to show how out of touch with reality the writers can be... but, perhaps they were attempting to show that Abby Sciuto really is a “SuperWoman”! 😉
> I believed, even from the sneak peek promo clips, that the scene with Gibbs standing over Abby while she lay unconscious in the hospital bed were “doctored”... thanks to the magic of film editing and stand-ins they didn’t have to be in the same room for that scene...
> the egotistical and arrogant Torres is not funny - he is irritating and annoying! it would have been great if they left him locked in the coffin for the rest of the episode - - or maybe for the remainder of the season... they could have made it a season ending cliff hanger! “Will Torres Survive the Coffin?” (just kidding! 😄) must admit Wilmer V did a good job of looking reasonably terrified when he jumped out of that “box” ...
> the escape of the prisoner, King, was just downright implausible, but this is one of those times I’ll just suspend disbelief - the end justified the means so to speak...
> skip to the “farewell scene” between Gibbs & Abby: was it any surprise to anyone that they didn’t appear in the same room together? again, thanks to the magic of film editing, they might not have even filmed that scene on the same day! like others have written, it’s too bad MH and PP couldn’t set aside their differences, and act like adults, but they didn’t, so we can refer to this as the “Season of the Elephant in the Room”...
other than that I was satisfied with the “sendoff episode” they wrote for Abby... at least we didn’t find out that she and Ziva had a kid together!
nas
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Post by fanthom8 on May 10, 2018 3:08:48 GMT
I’ve told you before, fanthom, but I’ll say it again: I haven’t been a fan of Abby Sciuto for a long time - especially the “Gibbs x’s 5” version...
but I’ve also said, since her departure from the show was announced, that I wondered how the writers would handle it... remembering the crapolla job they did when Weatherly left I was curious if they were going to do the same to PP...
I don’t feel the need to justify what I wrote last night, nor do I feel hypocritical about my comments... I thought the script was well done, if not a bit rushed... like llyan wrote, that storyline could have been a 2-parter, but it wasn’t (I’m sure it was plenty long enough for you)...
I thought Pauley acted the hell out of her lines, and it’s too bad we had to wait so long to see the return of a more mature Abby... if she had portrayed Abby that way more often in the last few years perhaps she wouldn’t have annoyed so many of us... (I actually have a friend who loved Abby just the way she was - grown up or childish- he just loved her)...
I, myself, gained the reputation for being one of the shows harshest critics, but at least I posted something positive when I thought an episode was good - or if I liked other characters... this season it seems “a kinder, gentler nas” has emerged...
now, all that said, let me ask you a question: what keeps you watching the show every week and coming to the board, posting comments, and insulting other posters? you don’t seem to like anything about NCIS...
nasI'm going to ask you the same thing, week after week you wrote about every single mistake and how you didn't like what the writers wrote and kept insulting and denigrating Glassberg (or whatever his name is) also Abby, Jimmy and DiNozzo, your own friend the Dude told you to stop abusing the show and if you didn't like it then don't watch, but you kept watching and insulting week after week after week the same crap, so let me ask you, what kept you watching the show with all your complaints, and then have the gaul to ask why I still watch, so yeah, there are hypocrites here, NCIS was my all time favorite show, still is now that she's gone, the cast is growing on me, I like Jack and the rest.
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Post by nas on May 10, 2018 3:55:56 GMT
@ fanthom...
I already admitted [to you] that I was seriously critical of much of the show for quite a while... I didn’t get the title of “resident curmudgeon” for nothing!
so, why did I keep watching? well, for one thing, I was addicted to the show, and hoping it would get better - which it has to some degree... but more than that I’ve enjoyed the friendships I’ve developed with some of the “refugees”, and discussing the episodes - good or bad...
as recently as May 6th you wrote:
so, is NCIS still your favorite show?
nas
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Post by kate06460 on May 10, 2018 11:44:28 GMT
i was able to catch it yesterday on=Demand yesterday and as usual it is was "Okay". Of course i got a little misty eyed at the end thanks to the music playing in the farewell scenes. It is really sad that even though in other venues some fans don't believe there is anything wrong and that "its fake news" and are not willing to see there is/was something going on. It makes it hard for conversations or discussions. I am not blind to Mark Harmon's faults and apparently he has some. I have to agree with NAS I don't think things have been as utopian as we were led to believe. However, I maintain what happens is none of our business.
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Post by SunshineBoozer on May 10, 2018 12:28:59 GMT
Finally got to stream it, last night.
All 3 of us enjoyed the episode.
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Post by fanthom8 on May 10, 2018 13:13:05 GMT
@ fanthom...
I already admitted [to you] that I was seriously critical of much of the show for quite a while... I didn’t get the title of “resident curmudgeon” for nothing!
so, why did I keep watching? well, for one thing, I was addicted to the show, and hoping it would get better - which it has to some degree... but more than that I’ve enjoyed the friendships I’ve developed with some of the “refugees”, and discussing the episodes - good or bad...
as recently as May 6th you wrote:
so, is NCIS still your favorite show?
nasI'm hoping the show, no, I know the show will get better now that the crack pot is gone, just like you, I am addicted to NCIS, the replacements for Ziva and Tony just don't cut it, but that doesn't bother me as much as the clown that's gone. but I have to admit, the show is getting more soap opera-ish, and if it continues I'll just stop watching and posting, so many good shows out there, sorry for being so salty, peace!!!!
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Post by BobNOTinValencia on May 10, 2018 18:38:08 GMT
finished rewatching “Two Steps Back” and will make a few comments about it now:
other than that I was satisfied with the “sendoff episode” they wrote for Abby... at least we didn’t find out that she and Ziva had a kid together!
nas
Yep, I guess I lost my bet on that one...
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