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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Apr 18, 2019 23:10:18 GMT
Something I'm surprised has got no mention on this thread is Torres just giving away the Comicon passes that don't belong to him. He has no right to them, no ownership. Technically at that point they belong to Delilah who doesn't even work for NCIS. If I were McGee, my response to Torres would be that he better still have that big bank balance so he can buy the passes from Bishop's friend who wants to charge $1500. I'd love to see that conversation when McGee got home: "Delilah, you know those passes you got? Torres gave them away to someone in order to get some information on our current 18 year old case."
I forgot about that, though I wanted to address this too. No idea if Delilah caved or McGee, but he wouldn't have gotten the tickets from me. Plus why all three? One would have been enough! None would have been better after all it was the Pentagons tech's damn job to get the info. Would have been much funnier if he had to explain why he hadn't the tickets to the tech. I have no idea why the writers are trying to turn Torres into either a jerk or a clown. He had so much potential in his first season, and now...... smh Someone should nail a plank onto each writers forehead "Torres is not DiNozzo 2.0", so don't write him as DiNozzo. |
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Post by nas on Apr 19, 2019 1:46:53 GMT
o.k., I agree that I’m not happy with the writers attempting to turn Nick into a DiNozzo 2.0, but I must admit something here...
as much as I thought the episode sucked, I thought Torres had the two redeeming lines in the whole mess...
it happened when McGee & Bishop were showing him the pix of the “Gibbs’ Wives Club” and he said:
”Uh, I’m sorry - Gibbs was married four times?!
What, does he have a marriage punch card, and the fifth one is free?”
my weird sense of humor thought that was pretty funny... 
nas
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 19, 2019 4:01:44 GMT
Something I'm surprised has got no mention on this thread is Torres just giving away the Comicon passes that don't belong to him. He has no right to them, no ownership. Technically at that point they belong to Delilah who doesn't even work for NCIS. If I were McGee, my response to Torres would be that he better still have that big bank balance so he can buy the passes from Bishop's friend who wants to charge $1500. I'd love to see that conversation when McGee got home: "Delilah, you know those passes you got? Torres gave them away to someone in order to get some information on our current 18 year old case."
I forgot about that, though I wanted to address this too. No idea if Delilah caved or McGee, but he wouldn't have gotten the tickets from me. Plus why all three? One would have been enough! None would have been better after all it was the Pentagons tech's damn job to get the info. Would have been much funnier if he had to explain why he hadn't the tickets to the tech. I have no idea why the writers are trying to turn Torres into either a jerk or a clown. He had so much potential in his first season, and now...... smh Someone should nail a plank onto each writers forehead "Torres is not DiNozzo 2.0", so don't write him as DiNozzo. |
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Post by jessielee on Apr 19, 2019 11:55:47 GMT
o.k., I agree that I’m not happy with the writers attempting to turn Nick into a DiNozzo 2.0, but I must admit something here...
as much as I thought the episode sucked, I thought Torres had the two redeeming lines in the whole mess...
it happened when McGee & Bishop were showing him the pix of the “Gibbs’ Wives Club” and he said:
”Uh, I’m sorry - Gibbs was married four times?!
What, does he have a marriage punch card, and the fifth one is free?”
my weird sense of humor thought that was pretty funny...
nas
It was a general statement I made about Nick , not specific to this episode. And yes, the marriage punch card line was pretty funny!  |
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Post by llyan on Apr 19, 2019 16:54:13 GMT
The big minus were Jack and McGee - for me. McGee first was too cowardly to confront Gibbs about the engagement photo. Something that he should have done. If he was too afraid, he should have went to Vance, because most likely Gibbs would have told Vance the truth. McGee refusing to interrogate Gibbs. As SFA he should have done it, he failed there. As much as DiNozzo was written as clown, he would have done that and probably directly after the photo was found. Jack interrogating Gibbs and then trying to turn it into a therapy session with asking about what were so different about Ellen, that he broke off the relationship. Sorry, this is a) not relevant to the case and b) hello, interrogation means recording, that's a total no-go, Jack! No wonder Gibbs left after that. McGee telling Gibbs off the case came too late, and he could have handled that better. But his biggest fail: breaking into Gibbs house with his knife b/c for once Gibbs locked the door in order to get answers and then practically bullying Gibbs in his own house. If he wanted answers, he should have interrogated Gibbs. Bullying him at work is one thing (Gibbs does it often enough), but to go to one's home and bully the owner in his own home - this is unacceptable. Gibbs should have thrown him out.
Regarding the interrogation scene, part of that was played for laughs. I got a laugh out of it when it went down the line and no one wanted to interrogate Gibbs before Jack decided to do it out of exasperation. I agree that Jack trying to turn it into a therapy session in interrogation was over the line and I don't blame Gibbs for leaving either.
Would Tony have interrogated Gibbs? Probably. But Tim is not Tony. They've shown over the years that McGee and DiNozzo solve problems differently and I'm glad they're not trying to turn Tim into a version of Tony as Senior Field Agent. But it wasn't like Tim let Gibbs off the hook. It might not have been in interrogation but he confronted Gibbs right away and took him off the case when Gibbs continued to withhold information. So is it really bullying if Tim was demanding pertinent information from possibly the last person to speak to their victim? What if she had said something that would have led them to finding the murderer? Gibbs was obligated to tell the team what he knew and he refused.
Not to mention, Gibbs knew it was coming the moment that he assigned Tim to search Ellen's phone records. He knew Tim would find out about the phone call and that he would be asked about it. Gibbs didn't offer the information freely because he wasn't ready to face the guilt that because he didn't answer the phone, she was killed. But he knew he'd have to tell someone about that call eventually, which is why I think he assigned that task to Tim, rather than Ellie or Torres. If he was going to admit to anyone that he ignored her call, it would be McGee. And yet when he was confronted, Gibbs doubled down and refused to explain himself. Tim was right, he got himself thrown off the case. If Gibbs would have just fessed up and explained the call, Tim wouldn't have had to break into his house to force Gibbs to talk about what happened. |
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Post by nas on Apr 19, 2019 22:01:08 GMT
that was a very lovely rationale for Gibbs’ behavior, llyan, but your last line said it all...
it’s ridiculous that “Mr. Closed Book Private Person” would make everyone have to draaaaag out every detail of his relationship with Ellen Wallace...
who cares about him and his personal life? is he so freakin’ important that he can’t share personal details from his past in a situation such as this one?
just my opinion, but I’m sticking to it...
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Post by llyan on Apr 19, 2019 22:24:32 GMT
that was a very lovely rationale for Gibbs’ behavior, llyan, but your last line said it all...
it’s ridiculous that “Mr. Closed Book Private Person” would make everyone have to draaaaag out every detail of his relationship with Ellen Wallace...
who cares about him and his personal life? is he so freakin’ important that he can’t share personal details from his past in a situation such as this one?
just my opinion, but I’m sticking to it...
nas
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Post by jessielee on Apr 19, 2019 22:51:44 GMT
It might not have been in interrogation but he confronted Gibbs right away and took him off the case when Gibbs continued to withhold information. So is it really bullying if Tim was demanding pertinent information from possibly the last person to speak to their victim? What if she had said something that would have led them to finding the murderer? Gibbs was obligated to tell the team what he knew and he refused.
Not to mention, Gibbs knew it was coming the moment that he assigned Tim to search Ellen's phone records. He knew Tim would find out about the phone call and that he would be asked about it. Gibbs didn't offer the information freely because he wasn't ready to face the guilt that because he didn't answer the phone, she was killed. But he knew he'd have to tell someone about that call eventually, which is why I think he assigned that task to Tim, rather than Ellie or Torres. If he was going to admit to anyone that he ignored her call, it would be McGee. And yet when he was confronted, Gibbs doubled down and refused to explain himself. Tim was right, he got himself thrown off the case. If Gibbs would have just fessed up and explained the call, Tim wouldn't have had to break into his house to force Gibbs to talk about what happened. Not the point, that Gibbs did need to share that info. The point is Mcgee breaking into Gibbs' locked house to get the info - that is bullying. He bullied Gibbs in Gibbs' own house for the info. With Gibbs the bullying was probably needed, but then Mcgee should have found either a conference room or Gibbs' favorite,the elevator; both at work! Third option: he should have done the interrogation himself instead being a coward and letting Jack do it. Since when does Gibbs' fess up voluntary??? Maybe in his next life.... |
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 19, 2019 23:07:28 GMT
that was a very lovely rationale for Gibbs’ behavior, llyan, but your last line said it all...
it’s ridiculous that “Mr. Closed Book Private Person” would make everyone have to draaaaag out every detail of his relationship with Ellen Wallace...
who cares about him and his personal life? is he so freakin’ important that he can’t share personal details from his past in a situation such as this one?
just my opinion, but I’m sticking to it...
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Post by nas on Apr 20, 2019 8:39:04 GMT
imo, that’s more rationale for Gibbs’ bad behavior, Hari...
I’m sure I am in the minority when I say negative things about the lead character in this show, but his arrogance, his smugness, his overall boorish behavior is just such a turn off [for me]… 
it’s like everyone around him has to “walk on eggshells”, lest they upset the man...
edit: “...With the level of fear and respect he's got from his people he knows that getting them to not back down to him will keep them from backing down to anyone else.”
fear and respect? (end edit)
please tell me, is his behavior really admirable?
if this were a real life situation, I wouldn’t want to be around someone like LJG - not even for a little bit...
but this isn’t real life, so......
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Post by ballerina on Apr 20, 2019 14:02:09 GMT
imo, that’s more rationale for Gibbs’ bad behavior, Hari...
I’m sure I am in the minority when I say negative things about the lead character in this show, but his arrogance, his smugness, his overall boorish behavior is just such a turn off [for me]… 
it’s like everyone around him has to “walk on eggshells”, lest they upset the man...
please tell me, is his behavior really admirable?
if this were a real life situation, I wouldn’t want to be around someone like LJG - not even for a little bit...
but this isn’t real life, so......
nas if you’re in the minority that I may be there myself. Many times I have thought negative things about LJG, as well as other characters and even people connected to NCIS. It used to bother me, but not anymore the older I get, the less it bothers me if my opinion goes against the majority. |
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Post by nas on Apr 20, 2019 18:21:47 GMT
thanx, ballerina - it’s nice to know I’m not the only one who feels that way about LJG...(I think there are a few of us)
I have also learned in my many years on this planet that life isn’t a popularity contest; if someone doesn’t like me - or my opinion - well, that’s o.k....
our opinion(s) may not be what the majority believes, but we have a voice and we choose to use it, right?
Bravo, m’dear! 
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Post by terrij58 on Apr 20, 2019 18:35:19 GMT
That makes three of us. I liked LJG during the early years. But after SB took over, the characters started changed and after GG took over they really changes and IMO not for the best.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Apr 20, 2019 21:59:53 GMT
please tell me, is his behavior really admirable?
if this were a real life situation, I wouldn’t want to be around someone like LJG - not even for a little bit...
but this isn’t real life, so......
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Post by kate06460 on Apr 21, 2019 12:08:44 GMT
Many times Mark has said if LJG were a real person he wouldn't want to be around him either. But it pays him good money and apparently fun...
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