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Post by llyan on Feb 25, 2017 4:26:18 GMT
04.28.2016
NCIS, FBI AND MI6 CONTINUE AN INTERNATIONAL MANHUNT FOR AN ESCAPED BRITISH SPY WHO IS TARGETING CURRENT AND FORMER AGENTS, ON THE 13TH SEASON FINALE OF “NCIS,” TUESDAY, MAY 17Michael Weatherly’s Farewell Episode Guest Stars Include Robert Wagner as Anthony DiNozzo Sr., Sarah Clarke as FBI Special Agent Tess Monroe and Duane Henry as MI6 Officer Clayton Reeves “Family First” – NCIS, FBI and MI6 continue an international manhunt for an escaped British spy who is targeting current and former agents, on the 13th season finale of NCIS, Tuesday, May 17 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT), on the CBS Television Network. Guest stars include Robert Wagner as Anthony DiNozzo Sr., Sarah Clarke as FBI Special Agent Tess Monroe and Duane Henry as MI6 Officer Clayton Reeves. CHEAT TWEET: #NCIS continues international manhunt 4 an escaped British spy 5/17 8pm @m_Weatherly Farewell Episode #seasonfinale bit.ly/1qZCHrBREGULAR CAST:Mark Harmon (Special Agent Leroy Jethro Gibbs) Michael Weatherly (Special Agent Anthony “Tony” DiNozzo) David McCallum (Dr. Donald “Ducky” Mallard) Pauley Perrette (Abby Sciuto) Sean Murray (Special Agent Timothy McGee) Rocky Carroll (Director Leon Vance) Brian Dietzen (Jimmy Palmer) Emily Wickersham (NCIS Probationary Agent Eleanor “Ellie” Bishop) GUEST CAST:Robert Wagner (Anthony DiNozzo Sr.) Sarah Clarke (FBI Special Agent Tess Monroe) Duane Henry (MI6 Officer Clayton Reeves) WRITTEN BY: Gary Glasberg & Scott Williams DIRECTED BY: Tony Wharmby
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Post by kate06460 on Feb 26, 2017 21:45:31 GMT
This could have been done much better in my opinion. It makes Tony look like an idiot and Ziva uncaring. TWO FREAKING years later you are going to let him know? Of course the last time they were together they were together for nearly three or 4 months and yes they could have done it (it would explain Tony's responses in subsequent episodes) but this indeed took a huge dive in to soapdom.
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Feb 27, 2017 0:16:41 GMT
This could have been done much better in my opinion. It makes Tony look like an idiot and Ziva uncaring. TWO FREAKING years later you are going to let him know? Of course the last time they were together they were together for nearly three or 4 months and yes they could have done it (it would explain Tony's responses in subsequent episodes) but this indeed took a huge dive in to soapdom. They weren't together for months, it took him months to find her. They seemed to have spent a few days together based on how much his beard hadn't changed from when he found her to when he left (or was he shaved?). |
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Post by alessandra on Feb 27, 2017 12:32:58 GMT
IMO one of the worst NCIS episodes ever (if not the worst) and insult to Tony's character, MW's talent, DPB's show and NCIS fans.
An episode so bad-written, so OOC and full of mistakes that you wonder if the authors knew whom/what they were writing about.
Not a surprise that many fans stopped watching after this SF and MW's goodbye.
JMHO
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Post by terrij58 on Feb 27, 2017 14:40:06 GMT
Agree!  and this is my honest opinion of almost every one connected with this episode. Definitely one of the shows worst. |
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Post by alessandra on Feb 27, 2017 15:53:48 GMT
Agree! and this is my honest opinion of almost every one connected with this episode. Definitely one of the shows worst. 
It's crazy. Unbelievable. They just needed to go with the easiest plot: Tony gets his own team away from DC. He and Gibbs finally have a talk about all that happened between them since they met and why Gibbs' attitude has been so cold/OOC in the last year. Tony leaves with Gibbs' blessing and everybody are happy.
That tiva finale was just  and completely-absolutely-extremely unbelievable. |
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Post by pdsmith777 on Feb 27, 2017 16:35:52 GMT
Everybody here knows I'm not a DiNozzo fan, from the early seasons through his departure.
But I will agree that this was not a good episode, which isn't that surprising, since Glassburg repeatedly stated that he didn't know what to do with DiNozzo.
The good parts of this episode is that we got to see Trent Kort, love to hate his character, and the actor always did a wonderful job with his part. Got to see Marina Sirtis. Love Counselor Troi, just wish they could think of a way to have her back, I know, most everybody hated the Mosad link, but I seriously love her. ( I feel the same way with Scotty Thompson, wish they could Jean back somehow).
And we got to see Tony leave. (Please don't throw things)
There were a ton of options they had, but the overall TIVA fan base probably would have revolted if they had not addressed the Ziva link, thus we get . . . well, one of the worst episodes made. (Nothing will take the place of "Faith" on the bottom of my list of worst episodes, but this will sit a few episodes above it)
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Post by alessandra on Feb 27, 2017 18:04:58 GMT
See? You're not a DiNozzo's fan and still you agree that this is a really bad ep.
Personally, I do not care about Orli and Marina Sirtis (sorry), but killing Kort was one of the many stupid things of this plot. After Ari, Trent was NCIS best villian and a guy we all loved to hate.
I'm completely against tiva and I've never liked Ziva (and CdP's acting) since she entered the bullpen. IMO this character was the beginning of the real NCIS end and, when showrunners let tivas' loud demands influence what they were writing, the drama-crime show became an unbelievable soap-opera with a dead Marine/sailor here and there just to justify the title, where all the original characters changed for the worse.
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Post by SevernSarge on Feb 27, 2017 18:41:53 GMT
Agreed that this episode may go down as one of the most "insulting". Insulting to fans, characters, actors...for the way they said "farewell" to a character who was, arguably, the most popular on the show.
And that was after screwing with the character for several years, to the dissatisfaction and annoyance of, again, the fans, actor and character. This is the episode that finally, after many chances, sent my Tuesday Night Must See List up in a massive ball of flames and ash.
The only reason I still watch it at all is that hope springs eternal. I still have hope for our little show that could.
And, the friendship I find among my fellow refugees. That's the most important thing in here, anyway.
Cheers, NCIS-fugees!!!
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Feb 27, 2017 23:31:15 GMT
Same here, Sarge.
I still watch but I missed the 2-part part on NCIS (I was at a concert) and haven't watched it. I might when it (and the 2nd part on NOLA) rolls back around in rerun.
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Post by alessandra on Feb 28, 2017 0:07:44 GMT
Did you try to make a list of all things that didn't make any sense? I did, but maybe I forgot something...
- Tony would never sleep with a woman without protection unless he was drunk or sure she was on pills. So the question is: did Ziva lied to him?
- No DNA test to be sure that Tali is Tony's daughter. What man would trust a almost complete stranger (Orli) and a woman who slept with Adam because she felt alone?
- Tali has been saved from a fire, doesn't know where her mom is, but she's perfectly fine and happy with Tony and Sr though she's never met them and she doesn't connects Tony with the man in the pic otherwise she'd immediately call Tony "Aba".
- Tony stops working and becomes a sort-of a nanny-housewife (lol). He looks so old, tired, sad and annoyed.
- McGee asks Tony if he and Ziva were in love. Tony tells him that he and Ziva had "a fond goodbye" and he sounds very sarcastic, but in the next sentence he says that he loved her (after MW had said on Twitter that tiva never existed and it was just a fans' projection and that Tony and Z were just friends and partner on the job). He loved her but never contacted her for 2 years and when Jeanne came back they were both clearly still in love with each other? LOL
- Kort burnt Eli's house because he was afraid that Ziva still had Eli's secret documents about him. Yeah! Sure! Eli dies, Ziva leaves Mossad and the agency doesn't searches all of their properties in and off Israel looking for secret documents?! With Eli's past? Yeah! Sure! *sarcasm*
- Tali has a perfectly clean go-bag with her favorite toy, Ziva's scarf and a framed pic of Tony and Ziva on the Vespa in Paris. Too bad that that pic never existed because Tony was the only one who had the camera and they didn't ask anyone to take pic of them... unless there was a paparazzo (LOL) or Mossad was tailing them and then they gave Ziva that photo.
- What mother would put a scarf and a framed photo in her baby's go-bag?
- What Fire Dept man would take a go-bag while he's saving a little girl from a very bad fire? Did Orli bought Tali that bag and its content? Not possible because Ziva's scarf, Tali's toy and the fake pic are old things
- They find Kort. McGee calls Tony. Tony arrives and kills Kort in cold blood and says that Ziva was his family. 1. Tony is not Gibbs, so he'd never kill in cold blood. 2. If Ziva had been Tony's family, he'd have never ever left her in a country in war (and especially with her Mossad past) and never contact her.
- Abby tells Tony that Ziva loved him and she knows that because Ziva told her. Really? When? Ziva never told Abby anything when she was in DC and after she left, she cut any contact with NCIS people. And more, Abby told Tony to forget about Ziva and move on. Was Abby lying? Did Ziva told Abby everything and asked her to not tell anything to Tony? Completely crazy!
- Tony talks with Gibbs in the basement and tells him that he's going to leave NCIS because he has to take care of Tali. It seems that Gibbs knew for months that Tony was going to leave. How?! Why?!
- Gibbs and Tony hugs, and the boss doesn't try to stop him. Crazy! After he moved this world and the other to get Tony back from Agent Afloat? Maybe Gibbs is no longer Tony's father figure, but the Team Leader of MCRT would never let the best agent he has, go without fighting. Never.
- Tony tells Gibbs he's going to Israel looking for answers (what answers? Ziva's dead because Kort burnt her house end of the story) and then he'll take Tali to Paris because Ziva 'loves' (present) Paris. A stupid attempt to make tivas hope that Ziva is still alive? Actually, it's what some of them think. Horrible, because it mean they think that Ziva would leave her child in a fire and run away or that Ziva left her daughter alone at home and didn't care about her after she (Z) knew about the fire.
- Tony leaves NCIS. How is he going to feed himself and Tali? We know he has money from his mom, but he's not Bill Gates and I can't see DiNozzo living with the money that Ziva left Tali or what she got from her mom's insurance.
- Brief nice talk between Tony, McGee and Bishop. An handshake with Ducky and a brief hug with Palmer in Autopsy, but we don't hear anything of what they say. What a waste!
- They show the box with Tony's belongings and... Surprise!... There's a pic of Tony and Kate in Colombia. The same pic we saw on "Life Before His Eyes" on Kate's desk, when Gibbs 'dreamt' that Tony and Kate were married... too bad that that was just a 'dream/epiphany' and that pic never existed.
- Tony leaves the bullpen after the talk with McGee and Abby. No one else is there.
- As soon as the elevator closes, Reeves and Quinn arrive. They start talking about a case with McGee and Ellie. Gibbs arrives, takes a look to his new team, smiles and says "Grab your gear!"... Tony's already completely forgotten.
Did I miss something?
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Post by terrij58 on Feb 28, 2017 0:50:43 GMT
I will always think that FF was GG's Tiva fantasy. To me that is the only thing that makes sense.
Agree with you post 100%, Alex.
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Feb 28, 2017 1:41:25 GMT
Did you try to make a list of all things that didn't make any sense? I did, but maybe I forgot something...
- Tony would never sleep with a woman without protection unless he was drunk or sure she was on pills. So the question is: did Ziva lied to him?
Even if told "I'm on the pill" (or other form of birth control) it would be totally out of character for Tony to not go to the nearest drug store to buy and use condoms.
Another problem is that Ziva was an emotional wreck and there's no way Tony would take advantage of her state of mind even if she's the one who initiated it.
- No DNA test to be sure that Tali is Tony's daughter. What man would trust a almost complete stranger (Orli) and a woman who slept with Adam because she felt alone?
Seriously! It's 2017 and those DNA tests are very very common. For Tony just take Orli's word for it (and a few stares from Gibbs) - Ziva told her Tony was the only possibility - was ridiculous!
- Tali has been saved from a fire, doesn't know where her mom is, but she's perfectly fine and happy with Tony and Sr though she's never met them and she doesn't connects Tony with the man in the pic otherwise she'd immediately call Tony "Aba".
She had not a smudge on her. Even in a "safe room" she'd have gotten a little singed.
Her not connecting the real Tony with the picture "aba" was just plain stupid writing.
- Tony stops working and becomes a sort-of a nanny-housewife (lol). He looks so old, tired, sad and annoyed.
His life as he knew it was over in an instant. Maybe he was at a crossroads in his life but having a kid thrust upon after being lied to (by omission) for over 2 years (from the moment she discovered she was preggers). This alone makes me certain Tali didn't/doesn't belong to Tony.
- McGee asks Tony if he and Ziva were in love. Tony tells him that he and Ziva had "a fond goodbye" and he sounds very sarcastic, but in the next sentence he says that he loved her (after MW had said on Twitter that tiva never existed and it was just a fans' projection and that Tony and Z were just friends and partner on the job). He loved her but never contacted her for 2 years and when Jeanne came back they were both clearly still in love with each other? LOL
For a show that had a full-season and possibly more, for them to claim that they thought about it long and hard and decided it was the only way for Michael/Tony to exit said they DIDN'T give it any thought at all.
- Kort burnt Eli's house because he was afraid that Ziva still had Eli's secret documents about him. Yeah! Sure! Eli dies, Ziva leaves Mossad and the agency doesn't searches all of their properties in and off Israel looking for secret documents?! With Eli's past? Yeah! Sure! *sarcasm*
Exactly! That farmhouse would have been gone through with a fine tooth comb to make sure any and all sensitive materials were removed.
- Tali has a perfectly clean go-bag with her favorite toy, Ziva's scarf and a framed pic of Tony and Ziva on the Vespa in Paris. Too bad that that pic never existed because Tony was the only one who had the camera and they didn't ask anyone to take pic of them... unless there was a paparazzo (LOL) or Mossad was tailing them and then they gave Ziva that photo.
That picture suddenly popping up was another "stupid". Tony returned from sightseeing (which she refused to do). Ziva put down her coffee, hopped on the scooter and they drove away. They did NOT have their photo taken together.
- What mother would put a scarf and a framed photo in her baby's go-bag?
This one I kind of got. She had a DANGER! WARNING WILL ROBINSON go-bag. Something that was "we're never coming back" bag.
- What Fire Dept man would take a go-bag while he's saving a little girl from a very bad fire? Did Orli bring Tali that bag and its content? Not possible because Ziva's scarf, Tali's toy and the fake pic are old things
Another exactly! He'd/She'd grab the toddler and run with her. He/she wouldn't stop to grab her "suitcase".
- They find Kort. McGee calls Tony. Tony arrives and kills Kort in cold blood and says that Ziva was his family. 1. Tony is not Gibbs, so he'd never kill in cold blood. 2. If Ziva had been Tony's family, he'd have never ever left her in a country in war (and especially with her Mossad past) and never contact her.
RIGHT! No call. No email. No text. No smoke signal. No nothing. Yep. That's love alright. 
- Abby tells Tony that Ziva loved him and she knows that because Ziva told her. Really? When? Ziva never told Abby anything when she was in DC and after she left, she cut any contact with NCIS people. And more, Abby told Tony to forget about Ziva and move on. Was Abby lying? Did Ziva told Abby everything and asked her to not tell anything to Tony? Completely crazy!
Exactly! Abby told Tony she was never coming back to get over it and move on. She even head slapped him over his behavior.
- Tony talks with Gibbs in the basement and tells him that he's going to leave NCIS because he has to take care of Tali. It seems that Gibbs knew for months that Tony was going to leave. How?! Why?!
Seems to me Gibbs wanted Tony gone. He'd barely looked at or spoken to him in a couple of years. Accepting without proof that Tali belonged to Tony was just his way of making sure Tony quit his 15 year (5 more to go for a pension) without any other job (another agency?) on the horizon.
- Gibbs and Tony hugs, and the boss doesn't try to stop him. Crazy! After he moved this world and the other to get Tony back from Agent Afloat? Maybe Gibbs is no longer Tony's father figure, but the Team Leader of MCRT would never let the best agent he has, go without fighting. Never.
Tony had long since ceased being Gibbs 2nd in Command so it was pretty clear that Gibbs had lost faith in Tony's abilities (case in point: giving him the what-for when he met a woman in a bar and got his identity stolen). Seriously, how the heck was Tony suppose to know that a woman who professed to be attracted to him wasn't really attracted to him but setting him up as a mark?)
- Tony tells Gibbs he's going to Israel looking for answers (what answers? Ziva's dead because Kort burnt her house end of the story) and then he'll take Tali to Paris because Ziva 'loves' (present) Paris. A stupid attempt to make tivas hope that Ziva is still alive? Actually, it's what some of them think. Horrible, because it mean they think that Ziva would leave her child in a fire and run away or that Ziva left her daughter alone at home and didn't care about her after she (Z) knew about the fire.
That was stupid too. She's not quite 2 years old and Tony, rather than getting the little girl settled into a routine decides to jet off to Israel & France. That child won't remember a bit of that. Hell, at just 2 she's not going to remember her mother.
- Tony leaves NCIS. How is he going to feed himself and Tali? We know he has money from his mom, but he's not Bill Gates and I can't see DiNozzo living with the money that Ziva left Tali or what she got from her mom's insurance.
Maybe he'll get Genie of the Lamp to financially help him out . 
- Brief nice talk between Tony, McGee and Bishop. A handshake with Ducky and a brief hug with Palmer in Autopsy, but we don't hear anything of what they say. What a waste!
Again, shows a huge lack of creativity. Writer couldn't think of anything Tony & his co-worker/friends would say to each other (possibly because he'd long since thrown the character (Tony) away.
- They show the box with Tony's belongings and... Surprise!... There's a pic of Tony and Kate in Colombia. The same pic we saw on "Life Before His Eyes" on Kate's desk, when Gibbs 'dreamt' that Tony and Kate were married... too bad that that was just a 'dream/epiphany' and that pic never existed.
That photo of Tony & Kate was silly too. It only existed in Gibbs slit-second "Life Before His Eyes".
- Tony leaves the bullpen after the talk with McGee and Abby. No one else is there.
GG was done with the character so he simply didn't care whether fans of the character from JAG onward liked it or not.
- As soon as the elevator closes, Reeves and Quinn arrive. They start talking about a case with McGee and Ellie. Gibbs arrives, takes a look to his new team, smiles and says "Grab your gear!"... Tony's already completely forgotten.
That smile was out of place and said [to me] that Gibbs was glad to see the back of Tony. Hell, he may have even orchestrated the "Tali is your kid" (Original recipe Gibbs would never have let a DNA test just slide, in fact he'd have head slapped DiNozzo into oblivion for not insisting on one).
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Post by pdsmith777 on Feb 28, 2017 2:35:47 GMT
That can be written off to time constraints. A script for a TV drama is 42 pages. If they had gotten to page 40 +, then this would be a necessary way to save time. Could they have cut other places? Sure. Probably should have, but there is only so much you can do in 42 minutes of story telling.
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Feb 28, 2017 3:56:39 GMT
That can be written off to time constraints. A script for a TV drama is 42 pages. If they had gotten to page 40 +, then this would be a necessary way to save time. Could they have cut other places? Sure. Probably should have, but there is only so much you can do in 42 minutes of story telling.
We'll have to disagree, PD. To me that episode was a kick in Weatherly's backside on his way out the door - even though HE gave them over a years notice. Everything he said he didn't want is what he was given which to me was the ultimate in disrespect and frankly, it was mean. |
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and this is my honest opinion of almost every one connected with this episode. Definitely one of the shows worst. 
and completely-absolutely-extremely unbelievable.
