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Post by terrij58 on Oct 31, 2018 18:05:15 GMT
Looks like Wilmer was using a stuntman. Doesn't look exactly like Wilmer but close enough to fool people.
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Post by llyan on Oct 31, 2018 18:33:21 GMT
Looks like Wilmer was using a stuntman. Doesn't look exactly like Wilmer but close enough to fool people. I'm pretty sure that was him. He had videos on his instagram stories (which disappear after 24 hours) of them blocking the fight scene. I think Emily was filming those for him.
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Post by pdsmith777 on Oct 31, 2018 23:03:01 GMT
Two things.
1. Character development begins with the creator of the series. With Donald gone, any new characters introduced since his departure would fall to the current show runner. It is true that actors will at times have input to how their character develops and often add their personal interest into the character, however, depending upon the creator, the network executives, advertisers and others who have a vested financial interest, characters are seldom the sole proprietorship of the actor who portrays them. There are exceptions, even with NCIS, but they are few, far between, and generally rest in the realm of the leads. So, if you are not happy with the direction a character is taking, what they say, how they act around others, etc., etc., etc., don't blame the actor, they are simply doing what they are told, nothing more.
2. Which leads to this point. I've taken classes on fighting on film, from the footage shown, it is clear that the fight was choreographed by the stunt coordinator, with input from the cinematographer and director dealing with the limited amount of space available and the needs of the camera and the angles available. If something "didn't look right" it wouldn't be Wilmer's fault. He would have simply been following the directions of the coordinator and director. Far too many times actors get blamed for things that are completely beyond their control. Just remember, a show like NCIS and others have far more fingers in the stew than the audience understands. And that starts with the show runner in the writers room.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Oct 31, 2018 23:35:51 GMT
2. Which leads to this point. I've taken classes on fighting on film, from the footage shown, it is clear that the fight was choreographed by the stunt coordinator, with input from the cinematographer and director dealing with the limited amount of space available and the needs of the camera and the angles available. If something "didn't look right" it wouldn't be Wilmer's fault. He would have simply been following the directions of the coordinator and director. While the director, stunt coordinator, and choreographer are certainly major contributing factors, there's still a fair amount on the head of the actor. Many people in the business have likened these fights to dancing (which is why the choreographer comes into play for both) and you certainly wouldn't get far claiming that Fred Astaire was merely the product of good directors and choreographers. I would venture to say that Jackie Chan with a poor choreographer would still look way better in a scene than Wilmer working with the world's best choreographer.
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Post by nas on Nov 1, 2018 18:26:13 GMT
so, Hari, I guess what you’re trying to say is, “Wilmer V ain’t no Jackie Chan”... 😉
nas
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Post by usmcbrat on Nov 2, 2018 15:50:22 GMT
Thinking about the relationship between Gibbs and Torres in this episode, I was struck by the similarities between Harry Potter and Albus Dumbledore. Nick was troubled by how similar he was to his classmate, and wondering if he had an evil streak in him, just like Harry was concerned about how different he really was from Voldemort. Dumbledore told Harry it was the choices he made, just like Gibbs told Nick.
I also sort of pegged the landlady at the beginning, but then I started really suspecting the CIA officer, since he was really trying to insert himself into the investigation. I really don't trust him.
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Post by Hari Seldon on Nov 2, 2018 21:07:38 GMT
Thinking about the relationship between Gibbs and Torres in this episode, I was struck by the similarities between Harry Potter and Albus Dumbledore. Nick was troubled by how similar he was to his classmate, and wondering if he had an evil streak in him, just like Harry was concerned about how different he really was from Voldemort. Dumbledore told Harry it was the choices he made, just like Gibbs told Nick.
I also sort of pegged the landlady at the beginning, but then I started really suspecting the CIA officer, since he was really trying to insert himself into the investigation. I really don't trust him.
Season 4 of Agents of SHIELD went a step farther. The team was put into an alternate (virtual) reality which, by methods that I'm not going to spend the time to explain, was an accurate representation of their lives if they each had their greatest regret removed. Most had similar personalities, but one of the good guys was extremely ruthless and second in command of the bad guys. After they got out they still remembered everything and that one is still having ongoing issues dealing with what he now considers himself capable of.
I had the landlady as my prime suspect as well - she fit the normal pattern. I didn't suspect the CIA guy because it looks like they have bigger plans for him and are still establishing his character. If he hadn't been in the earlier episode and it was his first appearance I probably would have suspected him.
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Post by nas on Nov 2, 2018 21:21:10 GMT
we’re not supposed to trust him, usmcbrat - he’s CIA (along with the “plant” Mallory in the Physical Therapy office)...
remember the love between Trent Kort and Team Gibbs? that worked out really well, didn’t it? 😕
nas
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Post by luckysmom on Nov 8, 2018 13:52:16 GMT
I enjoyed the episode - another good one!
I agree - she does not seem interested at all. Please TPB don't go that route...
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Post by Hari Seldon on Nov 8, 2018 14:39:59 GMT
I enjoyed the episode - another good one! I agree - she does not seem interested at all. Please TPB don't go that route... Well, her husband cheated and then divorced her. The next guy got killed. She's probably not looking to try again for a while.
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Post by llyan on Nov 8, 2018 16:13:22 GMT
I enjoyed the episode - another good one! I agree - she does not seem interested at all. Please TPB don't go that route... Well, her husband cheated and then divorced her. The next guy got killed. She's probably not looking to try again for a while. That was my thought as well, Seldon! And not just in general, she's had really bad luck with dating coworkers. So, why would she want to get into a relationship with a coworker especially when she knows that it is against Gibbs' rules? So even if she's looking, I don't think the office has a viable pool of candidates for her.
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Post by pdsmith777 on Nov 8, 2018 17:18:18 GMT
Well, her husband cheated and then divorced her. The next guy got killed. She's probably not looking to try again for a while. That was my thought as well, Seldon! And not just in general, she's had really bad luck with dating coworkers. So, why would she want to get into a relationship with a coworker especially when she knows that it is against Gibbs' rules? So even if she's looking, I don't think the office has a viable pool of candidates for her. I'm glad I'm not working background on that set, I would be very hurt by that last statement, even though it would be true, still hurt.
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Post by nas on Nov 8, 2018 18:41:35 GMT
I had a silly thought the other day about Torres calling Bishop “Babe”, and her quick response, “Don’t call me Babe.”
so here ‘tis:
usually, I say usually, the term “babe” is used between two people who are a “couple” - it’s a term of endearment... in my many years in the workforce I never heard the term used between co-workers (have you?)...
so, that said, either Torres is “wishful thinking” about Bishop...
OR.....
he and Bishop have got something going, and are keeping it on the QT, for obvious reasons - but Torres slipped up and called her “Babe”...
the reason I had this thought was because I was remembering the situation, from years ago, between Gil Grissom (William Petersen) and Sara Sidle (Jorga Fox) on CSI... all the “will they - won’t they?” throughout the series was only revealed during a season finale episode when they appeared together in their bedroom - in their “jammmies” - getting ready for bed... that was the “ah ha!” reveal for all the viewers...
🤔 so maybe the writers are doing the same thing with Torres & Bishop...
I told you it was a silly idea, but I just thought I’d throw it out there for discussion...
nas
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Post by Hari Seldon on Nov 8, 2018 19:14:22 GMT
That was my thought as well, Seldon! And not just in general, she's had really bad luck with dating coworkers. So, why would she want to get into a relationship with a coworker especially when she knows that it is against Gibbs' rules? So even if she's looking, I don't think the office has a viable pool of candidates for her. I'm glad I'm not working background on that set, I would be very hurt by that last statement, even though it would be true, still hurt.I'm sure that meant the office within the show. McGee - married Palmer - married Gibbs - three divorces plus twice her age Vance - very into his career which would probably be over rather quickly if he dated an underling, plus he's seeing someone even if she's a CIA plant
Jack - probably still has psychological issues even after her unit was avenged Ducky - viable if his age doesn't bother her Kasie - no indications either one is a switch hitter, but otherwise no real issues
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