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Post by ballerina on Feb 14, 2019 2:46:29 GMT
kaschu32 I have come to the conclusion that TPTB will do anything to appease the high and mighty Tiva fans, no matter what. If you are someone who is not a fan, you are irrelevant to them. One can only hope that this is just a trick, and that this story eventually dies out. My friend messaged me after the episode and stated, “for the love of God Luciana why? I would rather the entire series end being all a dream in one of the main characters mind, then this (insert a number of curse words).” He is in his words “a 53 year old who fought for his county and doesn’t put up with Bull****. Needless to say, he is not a fan of this teenage Tiva infatuation. Or, a fade out to Sean Murray at a typewriter. A female walks in (could be Margo Hirshman, CdP, Sasha Alexander, or even Danica McKellar) and asks, "So, are you almost finished with the latest adventure of Agent McGee?" That would also be a great twist to end the series, nice Seldon!
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Post by verdun on Feb 14, 2019 21:02:43 GMT
Was over at the IMDB an hour or so ago looking for something else and decided to look at the NCIS page. Over on the right side there is a list of the 3 highest rated shows by fan vote (most of you should remember it). The Tuesday night episode was at 9.5 for the highest rated episode, displacing "Family First" as the highest rated episode by the fans. For what it's worth, FYI.
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Post by sukismom on Feb 14, 2019 21:16:17 GMT
Was over at the IMDB an hour or so ago looking for something else and decided to look at the NCIS page. Over on the right side there is a list of the 3 highest rated shows by fan vote (most of you should remember it). The Tuesday night episode was at 9.5 for the highest rated episode, displacing "Family First" as the highest rated episode by the fans. For what it's worth, FYI. Obviously, the Tiva fans were out in force...
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Post by ballerina on Feb 14, 2019 21:21:58 GMT
I think a large percentage of Tiva fans are preteens, teens, and early 20 something’s, they are definitely more vocal than older fans.
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Post by tuna1 on Feb 14, 2019 23:21:38 GMT
From what I've read this episode was the highest rated episode of the season so far. The Ziva Zealots were probablyu drooling all over themselves the entire time.
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Post by pdsmith777 on Feb 14, 2019 23:25:39 GMT
I wasn't home Tuesday night when it aired, so I watched it twice yesterday. There's a lot I wanted to say, both in reaction to the episode and to the comments that have been posted here. But most of them would just be a repeat of statements I've made concerning certain aspects of the production over the past, now, two years here and the time prior on the other site, so, if you are really interested in my opinions, you can message me.
As to the actual episode, I liked it. It wasn't perfect, but it was good. Emily was good in this one, as was Dietzen in his lone scene with her. It was a shame that Murry didn't have more to do with the revelation that his old co-worker was heavily involved with the case. Also, I thought Harmon did a wonderful job.
Kacee is getting worse and Torres acting like a two-year-old is getting old. Although props to that last scene where he scooped up the pond water into the jar, but that begs the question, who brings a jar with them to a fugitive hunt? There were several similar problems with the entire show like that question I just asked which prevented it from being better, but considering the low quality of episodes this year, I'll take this one.
As to the question of "Is she alive or isn't she?" there are several plausible possibilities that could explain her secretive presence. The one I came up with that works best for me is, Ziva was out, had left her daughter with a trusted friend to baby sit, when the house was attacked. The friend died, thus the "body" that was pulled out, and the daughter found. Ziva then, in order to protect her daughter, made a deal with Orli to get the girl to Tony. This of course leads to several questions, like "is she hiding from DiNozzo?". "What name is she living under?" "Is she in Israel, Paris, Washington?" And, "Will they bring Orli back for one or two episodes?"
I have no problem with her sneaking into Gibbs house to get the page from that diary and reading it to the guy at the hospital. That's her training. I have no problem with her going back to her "office" and leaving her jacket, scarf and the note for Ellie.
It's a TV show and we're supposed to suspend our disbelief, so "disbelief suspended".
I like Cote, I always have. I wish her the best and hope her career, either in front of, or behind the camera, becomes more stable and that she finds happiness there. And I wouldn't blow a fuse if they brought her back for one more episode, preferably without Tony.
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Post by luckysmom on Feb 15, 2019 2:23:24 GMT
There was a lot about this episode that I did enjoy - I thought Emily was great, I liked some of the team dynamics. I liked the different tone of the episode, the narration at the beginning and the similarity of Requiem.
If it had ended before the last scene it would have been much more enjoyable. At this point any insinuation that Ziva is alive is ridiculous. It especially rubs me the wrong way because of the way they wrote out MW - I could possibly handle Ziva coming back but not after the affair with Tony..
All in all it was a way for the PTB to get the TIVA/ZIVA fans back in the fold, and possibly set up Ziva coming back before the series finale...
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Feb 15, 2019 3:06:54 GMT
So if Ziva let people believe she was dead when the sitter/nanny was the one who died then there’s a family out there whose family member disappeared without a trace. For shame. If the were told and not permitted to have the funeral. Pretend not to grieve then shame on that too.
All that scene did was muddy the waters all over again.
I do like Kasee. My best friend and I used to do exactly what she did with random day gift giving. It was spontaneous and beautiful. It took a break when I was in the Navy and ceases when I moved to Florida.
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Post by kaschu32 on Feb 15, 2019 5:59:25 GMT
I too enjoy Kasee.....I have a grandson with a late December birthday so I celebrate his "half" birthday.... But if it was a nanny or such who passed then their family was led to believe this person just up and left..... never contacting them every again... how cruel.... almost as cruel as not telling anyone (aka your soul mate) he was a father and then dumping your love child into his lap suddenly... Really.... who wants me to think this is romantic or a true love story?
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Post by llyan on Feb 15, 2019 13:27:26 GMT
As to the question of "Is she alive or isn't she?" there are several plausible possibilities that could explain her secretive presence. The one I came up with that works best for me is, Ziva was out, had left her daughter with a trusted friend to baby sit, when the house was attacked. The friend died, thus the "body" that was pulled out, and the daughter found. Ziva then, in order to protect her daughter, made a deal with Orli to get the girl to Tony. This of course leads to several questions, like "is she hiding from DiNozzo?". "What name is she living under?" "Is she in Israel, Paris, Washington?" And, "Will they bring Orli back for one or two episodes?"
I think there's another option for this case and it's far more plausible... Orli lied. We don't know if Ziva and Tali were in the farmhouse when it was burning. None of our characters were there to witness it. The only "proof" that we have came from the news report and Orli. It is very possible that Mossad gave bad information to the reporters to help sell Ziva's death. And deciding that her friends and family would be far safer with her dead, Ziva convinced Orli to take Tali to Tony in Washington.
The question then becomes, does anyone know about Ziva? Is she living with Tony and Tali in Paris in secret? Does Tony know she's alive but she's not living with them 'for their safety?' Is everyone oblivious and Ziva is living under an alias in the States?
I'm inclined to believe that it's the latter. I'm thinking the only way she could have heard about the case would have been if she was in the Virginia area and saw it on the news. I also don't have a problem with her sneaking into Gibbs' house (he's apparently stopped locking the door like he had been after Paraguay) and stealing the letter. But I think she knew she'd be caught, but I didn't think she anticipated it would be Bishop who would discover her. With Gibbs having the notebooks in his house, I'll bet she expected Gibbs to take the letter to read to Robert. When he discovered the letter missing, he would have questioned Bishop about it and when she didn't have it, he'd question Robert and discover it had been Ziva who read the letter to him. She was probably watching the hospital room and when she saw Bishop, she made her way to Ziva's she shed, moved the scarf and jacket and left the note for Bishop.
As for the episode, I generally liked it aside from a few quibbles. Using an old case was a great way to bring up a past character. I thought there were some really fantastic performances in the episode. Emily, Brian, Maria in her scene where she opened up to the little girl and told her about her adopted daughter and I love Kasie's deadpanned delivery when the guys asked if she had an address based on bird poop. Sunnie Pelant as Lily was especially wonderful. Given everything that her character had gone through, she didn't overact and was very convincing as a scared, traumatized little girl. I wish we had seen more of McGee's reaction to Ziva but I suppose he didn't get much in this episode because next week is a Tim-heavy episode, which I am looking forward too!
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Feb 15, 2019 18:04:41 GMT
Her performance reminded me of Millie Bobbie Brown from Parental Guidance Suggested they sold it by NOT noticeable acting. The kid who played Carson, McGee's scout, was fantastic too.
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Post by usmcbrat on Feb 15, 2019 19:58:48 GMT
I have really mixed feelings about this episode. I liked Ziva when she was on the show,and I didn't mind the Tiva ship. However, resurrecting Ziva, and having Ellie compare herself to Ziva and "bond" with Ziva out of the blue just seemed cheap, wrong, disingenuous (I am having difficulty articulating what I feel about it).
That being said, I though Emily gave a phenomenal performance. Strong where she needed to be, vulnerable when she needed to be, and absolutely believable. I though Diona was wonderful too. Her deadpan reaction to Torres and Tim was fantastic. I really like Kasie. I thought her Random Day was sweet and very thoughtful. She pays attention to co-workers and remembers. Torres of course was an absolute child about his gift, but put it to good use at the end.
As others have said, Sunny Pelant was amazing. Absolutely perfect as Lily. I think we will be seeing great things from her if she decides that acting is her future. Maria Bellow gave a good performance as well. Overall, great acting and directing. But, bringing back Ziva - I'm not sold.
What "family" was Ziva referring to. Her NCIS family" Tony and Tali? Are Ziva, Tony and Tali living all together? Are Tony and Ziva working together for the Mossad? Does Tony know Ziva is alive? (If he did, he would move heaven and earth to find her.) Does Gibbs (nothing gets past him - but based on his reaction to Ellie, I don't think he does.). Should Ellie tell him? I think she should, but will she? Why would Ziva tell Ellie that she is alive? To what end? At least the episode has people talking, which perhaps was the objective (along with ratings).
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Post by nas on Feb 15, 2019 20:06:44 GMT
first off, NewBe, I do like the actress who plays “Ka-Ka”, but I don’t like that the writers are trying to turn her into an “Abby 2.0” with her “random gift day” bit... she’s funny and cute; why did they have to go and ruin her with a recycle of her predecessor’s gift giving ritual? (don’t even get me started on the insanity of obligatory gift giving holidays like Christmas and Valentine’s Day!! 😠 Maxine and I have some X-rated comments on that subject...)
secondly, I said I wasn’t going to spend too much time writing about this “OMG, Ziva is ALIVE!!!” subject, but I’ll say this: I told y’all! the writers’ have accomplished exactly what they set out to do; i.e., they’ve got people tuning in to NCIS in HUGE numbers in the hope of seeing their beloved “ninja-girl” return from the dead... what a cheap trick! 😖
well, now that they’ve dangled that carrot out there, just what are they gonna’ do with it? will they ignore it and leave the 🥕 dangling in the wind - or will they pursue it? that would be a real trick in view of the fact that CdP has pretty much fallen off the face of the earth; basically, she hasn’t done diddley-squat since she walked away from the show in 2013, 6 years ago - with the exception of a minor role in the movie The 33, the mini-series Dovekeeper, and developing a series for SyFy that never materialized... eta: a quick look at her IMDb bio shows a few other items, including a loooow budget flic, but that’s it...
and as I said before, even if she resurfaced would any of TPTB connected with the show want her back? I’ve thought of this before: if Mark Harmon likes you, he really, really likes you! but if you do something to piss him off - well, you’re screwed! seriously, does anyone believe he’d welcome this actress back with open arms?
so, those are my thoughts on the subject... I’ll leave it up to y’all to guess and/or figure out where it’s going... as for me, I really could care less...
btw, I just heard from a former fan of NCIS, and she said that this latest episode sounds like a “JTS moment”... don’t shoot the messenger! she said it - I didn’t!
nas
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Post by ballerina on Feb 15, 2019 21:04:36 GMT
nas What is a JTS moment? Thanks
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Post by sukismom on Feb 15, 2019 21:10:19 GMT
I have mixed feelings about this one. The actress who played Lily was amazing, not too much, not too little. I'm a sucker for happy endings so I am glad she was able to get with both parents in the end.
I loved Ellie getting in Gibbs grill about "rule 10". It's past time he was called out for the attitude. Ellie has grown so nicely from the "space cadet" of her early episodes, she has become a pleasure to watch. Now if only Torres would grow up. There is no need for DiNozzo 2.0.
If they had introduced the Ziva connection in the beginning as a springboard to getting into the case, no problem. By implying at the end that she is still around... that is disingenuous. No doubt the Tiva fanatics and conspiracy theorists are in hog heaven. Given the way that CdP left the show, I find it hard to believe that she would be welcome to come back even for 1 episode.
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