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Post by verdun on Sept 25, 2019 21:07:38 GMT
Way, way too disjointed. And BTW wasn't it Kort who was trying to blow up the place in Israel? Where'd this other woman come from? Did they forget about Kort? One good bit; it was nice to see her buddy Adam again.
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Post by gibbsgirl8 on Sept 25, 2019 21:10:07 GMT
I didn’t watch the episode & wasn’t planning on watching next week. & to tell you the truth I’m just about given up on “must watch” show. So my question... should I watch the episode(s) or just pick up on episode 3 or not at all. I give those of you who are not Ziva fans a lot of credit for watching.
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Post by jessielee on Sept 25, 2019 21:27:51 GMT
Reserving full judgement on this, but boy what a mess! Ziva dragged everyone in her mess like usual and expects them to follow her orders. Who made her boss? She's totally off the rocker! She never was much of a mother,at least we didn't see that. The best thing she could do to her daughter: never ever find Tony and Tali b/c she needs therapy (I would prefer a bullet to the head to get finally rid off her). And of course Sahar is related to Ari, therefore her reason to go after Ziva (please let her succeed, pretty please!!)
Gibbs following her blindly - out of character McGee's " she was a sister to me" - out of character, they never were that close. Bishop blindly believing/trusting Ziva, therefore doing what she wants - out of character. Forgot to add (after rewatch): Mcgee standing up to Vance, refusing to obey his order - out of character Vance actually doing what McGee told him reg Ziva, aka trusting Ziva - out of character
Ziva thinking of herself as Gibbs daughter - yeah, no Ninjagirl - you aren't. - But totally in character as she always thought highly of herself!
And from next eps promo, it looks like Ziva double plays both enemy and former team.....
Gina Monreal wrote again pure BS - she shouldn't been allowed to pen any Ziva episode. Hopefully next weeks ep is better, though I have my doubts.....some of you who have posted have already brought up the “Not Kelly! ME!” scene, so there’s not much I can say about it other than how absolutely ridiculous it was... “ninja-girl” comes off as self-centered and totally delusional... good job, writers! 😖
Actually the "self-centered" is in character for Ziva, making her official delusional is new, but fits as well!
there is one thing I want to write about right now - this bothered me all the while I was watching last night and it still bugs me:
WHY did we have to see Gibbs battered and bloody face and arm in every scene he was in? at some point during their 18 hours “on the run” couldn’t he have gone into a bathroom somewhere and washed the blood off?
have to agree. Raises too much attention for someone on the run, same goes for dirty looking Ziva.
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Post by luckysmom on Sept 25, 2019 21:38:52 GMT
My son took the NYC subway daily ... might not have received a second glance 🤪. But yes seems like he would have wanted to clean up and be a little less conspicuous.
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Sept 25, 2019 21:52:11 GMT
Reserving full judgement on this, but boy what a mess! Ziva dragged everyone in her mess like usual and expects them to follow her orders. Who made her boss? She's totally off the rocker! She never was much of a mother,at least we didn't see that. The best thing she could do to her daughter: never ever find Tony and Tali b/c she needs therapy (I would prefer a bullet to the head to get finally rid off her). And of course Sahar is related to Ari, therefore her reason to go after Ziva (please let her succeed, pretty please!!)
Gibbs following her blindly - out of character McGee's " she was a sister to me" - out of character, they never were that close. Bishop blindly believing/trusting Ziva, therefore doing what she wants - out of character.
Ziva thinking of herself as Gibbs daughter - yeah, no Ninjagirl - you aren't. - But totally in character as she always thought highly of herself!
And from next eps promo, it looks like Ziva double plays both enemy and former team.....
Gina Monreal wrote again pure BS - she shouldn't been allowed to pen any Ziva episode. Hopefully next weeks ep is better, though I have my doubts.....some of you who have posted have already brought up the “Not Kelly! ME!” scene, so there’s not much I can say about it other than how absolutely ridiculous it was... “ninja-girl” comes off as self-centered and totally delusional... good job, writers! 😖
Actually the "self-centered" is in character for Ziva, making her official delusional is new, but fits as well!
there is one thing I want to write about right now - this bothered me all the while I was watching last night and it still bugs me:
WHY did we have to see Gibbs battered and bloody face and arm in every scene he was in? at some point during their 18 hours “on the run” couldn’t he have gone into a bathroom somewhere and washed the blood off?
have to agree. Raises too much attention for someone on the run, same goes for dirty looking Ziva.
Gina is the queen of Ziva fandom amongst the NCIS writers. From what I’m reading this was very bad “Mary Sue” fan fiction. No canon. All bow down and worship the Ninja Princess. So Ari had another woman other than the doctor Tony met and she’s out to get Z-Princess?
When was the last time she wrote an episode, anyway ?
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Post by jessielee on Sept 25, 2019 23:48:14 GMT
Gina is the queen of Ziva fandom amongst the NCIS writers. From what I’m reading this was very bad “Mary Sue” fan fiction. No canon. All bow down and worship the Ninja Princess. So Ari had another woman other than the doctor Tony met and she’s out to get Z-Princess?
When was the last time she wrote an episode, anyway ?
No idea. For all we know (which is close to zero), Sahar could be Ari's half-sister (same mother). The only other info than her full name (Mira Sahar Azam) we have, is that her name is an alias.
Gina wrote the beginning of this disaster S16E13 She and S16E19 Perennial where we met Sloane's daughter for the first time.
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Post by nas on Sept 26, 2019 6:19:44 GMT
Wednesday night - 9/25
now remember, this is my verrry personal opinion:
so I watched the episode again, and I have to say I really ❤️d it!
nah, just kidding!
as Mr. Rogers said to Ziver, “Man, this is messed up!” Man, was he right! this episode is totally messed up!!
I thought: the storyline/plot was unbelievable... the script was pure drek... the entire cast over-acted to the point of looking amateurish...
there are so many things I could write about why I seriously disliked the episode, but I’m not going to dissect this mess scene by scene... I’ll just list the few things that stick out - in no particular order...
I’ve already mentioned Gibbs’ bloody face and arms in a previous post (so gross!), and replied to the post about Z’s “Not Kelly! Me!” scene (she is a totally delusional head-case)...
that scene where LJG is asking Z “who wants you dead?”, “what does she look like?” and her answer was “I do not know” & “I do not know” - cracks me up! good answers, you dummy!
wasn’t Ziva the one famous for walking in on Tony in the Men’s Room? I don’t recall that Bishop did that, too, as a few of you have mentioned...
Odette totally rewrote history - and the story - when she told Bishop that Z was, in fact, the intended victim of the farmhouse bombing - not the destruction of Eli David’s files... kinda eliminates the whole reason for Kort’s involvement in that situation, doesn’t it? it’s amazing how a stroke of the writer Gina Lucita Monreal’s pen can change everything!
and, btw, who & what is Odette - besides an arms dealer, that is?
Z told LJG that the woman who wants her dead does not know about Tali...Seriously?! she knows everything about you, but she doesn’t know you had a child? oh bull!!!
was it really necessary to cut off the guy’s fingers to get the necklace back? all she had to do was open his cold, dead hands and take it off his fingers... just an excuse to add more blood and grossness to an already bloody, gross episode...
how does Bishop know so much about how Z acted as an agent? and why do all of them think that she was soooooo great, sooooo wonderful, soooo perfect!
o.k. I’m done! I can’t do this anymore!
as I’ve said a couple of times since CdP showed up at the end of Season 16, I have no idea why they brought her back... actually I do know - it’s a great marketing gimmick!
I know there are a few of you on this board who are delighted with her return, but to quote a friend of mine, this is really bad fan fic! really, really bad! 😖
nas
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Sept 26, 2019 15:12:05 GMT
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Post by tuna1 on Sept 26, 2019 15:48:17 GMT
"CBS: NCIS, now in its 150th year on the air, was down just 0.1 from last season’s premiere to 1.3. FBI fell 0.4 from last year’s series premiere to 0.9, and NCIS: NEW ORLEANS was down 0.3 from last year’s premiere to 0.7."
150th year??? Man how time flies
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Post by jessielee on Sept 26, 2019 16:30:29 GMT
Adjusted, final ratings for NCIS per SpoilerTV
NCIS - Out of the Darkness: 1.3 Demo - 12.57million
So, not so much in favor for Ziva's comeback . Considering the outcry for her , especially on FB, but other social media as well, there should be more million viewers.
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Sept 26, 2019 16:44:21 GMT
"CBS: NCIS, now in its 150th year on the air, was down just 0.1 from last season’s premiere to 1.3. FBI fell 0.4 from last year’s series premiere to 0.9, and NCIS: NEW ORLEANS was down 0.3 from last year’s premiere to 0.7."
150th year??? Man how time flies
Are we all (including Harmon & company) clones or are we programs that never go off-line Yes, that last part was an original Tron reference.
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Post by llyan on Sept 26, 2019 16:51:11 GMT
Adjusted, final ratings for NCIS per SpoilerTV
NCIS - Out of the Darkness: 1.3 Demo - 12.57million
So, not so much in favor for Ziva's comeback . Considering the outcry for her , especially on FB, but other social media as well, there should be more million viewers.
There probably were. But these numbers don't reflect the cord cutters. The CBS app, Amazon, Roku, Hulu... All those views aren't included in the numbers that Spoiler TV releases.
I seem to recall one of the spoiler sites (TV Line I think) mentioned that CBS is very secretive with their viewer numbers and does not release them.
It's always best to look at these things comparatively. Even the highest rated show for the night, This Is Us only brought in 7.88 million viewers. NCIS had 40% of the viewer on network tv at 8pm and they comfortably beat out the Voice in the number of viewers. Add in more viewers online and I'm pretty sure the show is happy with their results.
Time Show Adults 18-49 rating/share Viewers (millions) 8 p.m. The Voice (NBC) 1.6/8 8.32 NCIS (CBS) – P 1.3/7 12.57 The Conners (ABC) – P 1.3/7 5.77 The Resident (FOX) – P 0.8/4 4.05 Pandora (The CW) 0.1/1 0.45 8:30 p.m. Bless This Mess (ABC) – P 0.8/4 3.99 9 p.m. This is Us (NBC) – P 1.8/9 7.88 Empire (FOX) – P 1.0/5 3.31 FBI (CBS) – P 0.9/5 8.83 Mixed-ish (ABC) – P 0.9/4 3.91 Mysteries Decoded (The CW) 0.1/1 0.48 9:30 p.m. Black-ish (ABC) – P 0.9/4 3.49 10 p.m. New Amsterdam (NBC) – P 1.0/5 5.91 Emergence (ABC) – P 0.8/5 4.12 NCIS: New Orleans (CBS) – P 0.7/4 6.66
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Post by jessielee on Sept 26, 2019 18:14:57 GMT
There probably were. But these numbers don't reflect the cord cutters. The CBS app, Amazon, Roku, Hulu... All those views aren't included in the numbers that Spoiler TV releases.
I know that all these streaming services & Co are not included in the numbers. Same here. However these are the ratings that count for renewal. And I really don't believe that all Ziva lovers are using streaming services & Co. The numbers will probably go up even more in the Live+7 ratings. CBS may be happy with the added numbers from their apps, yet since they are so secretive we have to do with Nielsen numbers. And I really expected them to be higher, considering that there were around 1 million viewers less after Ziva left directly, with further decline of 1 million plus over the course of S11 (after the holidays break).
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Post by llyan on Sept 26, 2019 19:11:37 GMT
Ok, so now that I’ve had time to rewatch the episode and digest things here are my thoughts on the episode. Overall I enjoyed it. There were a couple of moments that made me scratch my head but nothing too bad. I’ll definitely be in a better position to judge it after next week though. Apologies for being long-winded....
- The first time I watched the episode, I didn’t see the necklace wrapped around the fingers, so I assumed that they needed the fingers for some other reason. Knowing that the necklace was the goal the second time through, it did seem a little gratuitous. But upon watching the scene with Mr. Rogers, the actor really was wrapping that necklace around his fingers. Considering that they were being shot at and Ziva wasn’t exactly in top form at the moment, I’ll give her a pass.
- I’m glad that Gibbs (and Vance) didn’t know what Ziva was alive. Strangely, I think that I would have felt betrayed if their characters supposedly knew about Ziva before we found out.
- I don’t know that Ziva has been in the States since she ‘died’ but I would guess that she’s been in the country for a little while. Is she undercover with Mossad’s knowledge? Or just Adam’s knowledge? She is technically a US citizen and has ever right to be in country. It’s probably a risk to use her own passport but it’s possible that she is. Would her passport be flagged since she died? If Mossad is helping her, she probably got false documents from them.
- Apparently, Gibbs’ diner also serves beer. I mean, sure. Why not? Saves them from building another set. Did make me laugh looking at the level of beer in McGee’s glass. When he’s sipping it, it was about 2 inches from the top but when Bishop sits down, it’s full again.
- I am not a fan of Bishop holding back her theory on the coat while they were investigating Gibbs’ basement. I get not telling Torres right away, but she should have looped in McGee. Even if she didn’t tell Tim about Ziva specifically, she could have mentioned that she had a potential lead. Instead, she went off on her own and Tim had to hunt her down to find out where she was and what she was doing. Interesting parallel with Vance later complaining that he had to hunt down Tim and Bishop later in the episode.
- So Odette, Ziva’s She-shed landlady, must be a former spy. When we last saw her in Perennial, I knew she was dodgy. The way she asked Bishop if she was going to continue to come around made me think that she was hiding something. Glad I was right. She knew Ziva was alive and had been in contact with her.
- I’m glad that Tim was ticked at Bishop. Even if you don’t buy Tim’s line that she was like a sister to him, Tim and Ziva did work together for years. And he deserved to know that she was alive. Same with Gibbs.
- I wasn’t a fan of it when Bishop walked into the men’s room before and I didn’t like it again here. (She did it to Tony a couple of times and she did it to Tony and Tim at least once (in 12x08 Semper Fortis) when she talked to Tim about Abby’s rules for dating.) At least the second time, she walked in with her eyes closed and checked to make sure they were alone. And Tim’s line about someone calling HR, maybe even him, made me laugh.
- Torres’ reaction to learning that Ziva is alive was over the top and made me roll my eyes.
- Kasie cracked me up in autopsy though. Between her pushing on through the weird air and the ‘sweet mama, they’re talking in unison’ line. She cracked me up.
- While I appreciate the bus dead-drop as much as Gibbs, I really have to ask what are the chances that they manage to find the exact bus they need right away? A city like DC has hundreds of buses in their fleet. And even if they were looking for a specific route, many of those buses run ever 10-15 minutes if it’s a popular route. They’d have to be sure to get on the same bus that Adam dropped the memory key. Either way, finding a needle in a haystack would be easier.
- As other’s have mentioned, Gibbs should have cleaned up at least some of the blood over the course of the 18 hours he and Ziva were on the run. He could have still sported the fresh injuries without looking like he just walked through a window.
- Even if Gibbs told Tim not to get involved, I’m very glad that he did call McGee to get help with the decryption. Gibbs didn’t go completely rogue. I like how amused Gibbs was that Tim already knew about Ziva though.
- I know they figured it out somehow because Tim got the file but how did they get the file to McGee? They didn’t have the car with the stolen cell phones yet. They only picked up that car after Tim saw Ziva at Mr. Rogers.
- I found it a little rich that Vance was telling Tim about how Gibbs would move mountains for them. Tim is well-aware. Gibbs stayed behind and face the RAC to protect them and then he spent 2 months taking the brunt of the physical torture to protect Tim. And not to mention that McGee jumped off a helo to face certain death to protect Gibbs.
- Regarding Tim defying Vance and not going after Gibbs and Ziva (the second time) was interesting. At this point, he’s been told twice to not get involved, once by Gibbs and once by Ziva. If it were just Ziva telling him no, I’m not sure he would have agreed.
- As I said before, Ziva is clearly impaired and that makes it hard to trust her judgement. Gibbs asks if they can trust her contact. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he had to ask it a few times or that Ziva never answered him. I'm not sure that we can trust Adam just yet.
- The real question I have is: is she impaired because she isn’t taking medication or because she is? What are those mystery pills? Are they really just anti-anxiety pills? Or are they something that’s causing her to be paranoid? Were her symptoms withdrawal from some other kind of medication?
- And finally, the whole bit about “I wasn’t talking about Kelly, I was talking about me.” For one that was a low blow. Secondly, it sounds almost like buyer’s remorse. She played dead and now she’s ticked that everyone believed her! But really, she abandoned the team when she left to return to Israel when Cote left the show. She cut herself off from everyone and it took Tony weeks to find her. She has no one to blame but herself and anyone in their right mind would know that. But as I said before, Ziva is not in her right mind. She’s stressed, tired, and doped up on something that may be doing more harm than good.
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Post by Llyan (Admin) on Sept 27, 2019 1:29:14 GMT
Wednesday night - 9/25
now remember, this is my verrry personal opinion:
so I watched the episode again, and I have to say I really ❤️d it!
nah, just kidding!
as Mr. Rogers said to Ziver, “Man, this is messed up!” Man, was he right! this episode is totally messed up!!
I thought: the storyline/plot was unbelievable... the script was pure drek... the entire cast over-acted to the point of looking amateurish...
there are so many things I could write about why I seriously disliked the episode, but I’m not going to dissect this mess scene by scene... I’ll just list the few things that stick out - in no particular order...
I’ve already mentioned Gibbs’ bloody face and arms in a previous post (so gross!), and replied to the post about Z’s “Not Kelly! Me!” scene (she is a totally delusional head-case)...
that scene where LJG is asking Z “who wants you dead?”, “what does she look like?” and her answer was “I do not know” & “I do not know” - cracks me up! good answers, you dummy!
wasn’t Ziva the one famous for walking in on Tony in the Men’s Room? I don’t recall that Bishop did that, too, as a few of you have mentioned...
Odette totally rewrote history - and the story - when she told Bishop that Z was, in fact, the intended victim of the farmhouse bombing - not the destruction of Eli David’s files... kinda eliminates the whole reason for Kort’s involvement in that situation, doesn’t it? it’s amazing how a stroke of the writer Gina Lucita Monreal’s pen can change everything!
and, btw, who & what is Odette - besides an arms dealer, that is?
Z told LJG that the woman who wants her dead does not know about Tali...Seriously?! she knows everything about you, but she doesn’t know you had a child? oh bull!!!
was it really necessary to cut off the guy’s fingers to get the necklace back? all she had to do was open his cold, dead hands and take it off his fingers... just an excuse to add more blood and grossness to an already bloody, gross episode...
how does Bishop know so much about how Z acted as an agent? and why do all of them think that she was soooooo great, sooooo wonderful, soooo perfect!
o.k. I’m done! I can’t do this anymore!
as I’ve said a couple of times since CdP showed up at the end of Season 16, I have no idea why they brought her back... actually I do know - it’s a great marketing gimmick!
I know there are a few of you on this board who are delighted with her return, but to quote a friend of mine, this is really bad fan fic! really, really bad! 😖
nas
Mr. Rogers. Was this the same Mr. Rogers that wore sweaters and worked at night because it was daytime in Japan? (The one with the Marine who loved Halloween and who's "not daughter" killed him with in his coffee thermos)
So the Zee-Shed landlady appears to be a spy?
Yes, Ziva WAS the one who began the walking in to the men's room - even watched Tony pee at the urinal and told him he wasn't drinking enough water. She was totally disinterested in his discomfort and McGee's too when she did it to him. She strutted and smirked as if she had the right to be in there.
So, Elly doing this a time or two and getting chewed out over it is just wrong.
Excuse me? So this persistent, but apparently inept killer has been chasing Ziva like she's Carmen San Diego for years and somehow missed that her target was preggers and had had a baby. Totally missed she was toting around a toddler? Let me attempt the math. Z got pregnant around September 2013 which would, barring pre-maturity, result in a birth around June 2014. She totes her around until she decides to fake her death in May 2016 and this killer never noticed? (Using "Oh bull" made me laugh since that's the name of the character MW now plays).
By the time Z decided to "make him [Gibbs] proud and quit NCIS she was pretty much "practically perfect in every way" and could toss a guy off a ship - no, he could not have fallen where he landed - without a lot of help" and everyone around her treated her like a wilting flower.
Bishop's worship of Ziva the Perfect last season seems to have gotten even more creepy. Gibbs had a daughter named Kelly and Ziva seems to be trying to erase her because SHE'S his one and only "kid".
If she dies for real this time I really hope there's a body to put an end to this nonsense.
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